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The Workshop => Maintenance, Problems & Troubleshooting => Topic started by: SombreroPeak on July 26, 2018, 20:58

Title: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: SombreroPeak on July 26, 2018, 20:58
So for the last few weeks I've noticed an increasing creaking sound when reversing or tight slow forward turns. My limited mechanical expertise isn't able to diagnose things with absolute certainty each time, but I've a feeling it's my front right suspension.

So the questions are, am I right? The spring looks fine, so would you suggest shock only replacement? Obviously in pairs. And how feasible is it for a numpty to do it at home...spanners, time and spring compressors? I think the only thing that worries me is the spring compressors actually. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180726/2f06b82518d12c7f92013bf5202eeea8.jpg)

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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: Call the midlife! on July 26, 2018, 21:59
Are you certain that spring is sound? It looks to be sat at a funny angle, like it's bulging out at the middle?


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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: SombreroPeak on July 26, 2018, 22:06
Well actually I'm not. I made an assumption because of the look of the shock. I also just stuck my phone in behind the wheel to take the picture rather than looking with the naked eye.

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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: Call the midlife! on July 26, 2018, 22:22
Might just be a trick of the photo but I'm used to springs being more or less the same pitch top to bottom, it looks like the upper coils are at a sharper angle than the rest which might mean a broken spring. Or it could be just how they are?


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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: SombreroPeak on July 26, 2018, 22:31
I'll take a proper look tomorrow and report back!

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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: Call the midlife! on July 26, 2018, 22:44
Someone will be along in the meantime to say the spring is fine I'm sure, I've had coilovers on for a year so can barely remember what standard springs look like.
The shocker does look wet through, unless you've recently sprayed up there with oil or something?


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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: SombreroPeak on July 26, 2018, 22:49
No, nothing sprayed anywhere near there recently.

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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: Call the midlife! on July 26, 2018, 22:53
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180726/6e33c1b9f10a3b0f07fea1f391a9ee64.jpg)
It looks oily so probably the seals have blown in the shock, see if you can work out what the bit I've circled is too.


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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: Ardent on July 26, 2018, 23:03
A general re fresh looks in order regardless of the specifics.

In line with club policy of spending other peoples money.   ;)
Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: frogger on July 27, 2018, 06:31
The shock is clearly blown, and it makes sense to do shocks and springs at the same time... and also makes sense to do all 4 - because they will all be of a similar age.... It's time .... Treat yoself
Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: frogger on July 27, 2018, 06:32
And yes - easy job with home tools and spring compressors. The screw down type do the job with no dramas.
Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: PhilzMR2 on July 27, 2018, 08:39
It's a moderately difficult job, not easy as such.  Depends how much experience you have in car repairs. As others have said, i would refresh the whole lot - shocks, springs and top mounts. I did it on my car and it transformed the front end.
Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: StuC on July 27, 2018, 23:17
Quote from: PhilzMR2 on July 27, 2018, 08:39
It's a moderately difficult job, not easy as such.  Depends how much experience you have in car repairs. As others have said, i would refresh the whole lot - shocks, springs and top mounts. I did it on my car and it transformed the front end.

We, club, did it at ding day in the car park. I agree with Phil, it's not easy.
It can be done though. What's your experience on spannering?
Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: SombreroPeak on July 27, 2018, 23:34
Well apologies, I didn't get time today to take a better look.  Re my experience, I consider myself a willing novice of sorts. Happy to do oil changes, and try my hand at most things, but this all comes with a caveat; it's my daily driver, so whatever I do, I have to be reasonably confident that I can put it all back together again, and working without the car being off the road for too long.

I'm not sure exactly on costs, but not sure I can stretch to all four corners in one go. Is second hand to be avoided?

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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: Smcknighty on July 28, 2018, 10:05
Quote from: Ardent on July 26, 2018, 23:03
A general re fresh looks in order regardless of the specifics.

In line with club policy of spending other peoples money.   ;)

While your working on it it's best to do other little jobs, like turbo upgrade.


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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: Beachbum957 on July 28, 2018, 11:56
While changing struts and springs doesn't require a lot of expertise, it is a safety related repair. If you have never done suspension work, I would suggest taking it to a shop. Plus, the car should be aligned after the work anyway.  Considering the labor involved, and the relatively affordable cost of aftermarket struts like KYB, second hand doesn't make sense.  Maybe a second hand spring, but the rest of the parts should be new

From the looks of that strut, the complete suspension needs freshened.  You might get away with  doing one end, but if one strut is that bad, all of the rest are not far behind.
Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: Joesson on July 28, 2018, 11:57
Quote from: SombreroPeak on July 27, 2018, 23:34

I'm not sure exactly on costs, but not sure I can stretch to all four corners in one go. Is second hand to be avoided?

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Unless you want to replace " like for like" I suggest you avoid second hand, whatever you get is likely to be in a very similar condition to those you are replacing.

As StuC mentioned, a Member ( with help/ hindrance advice and cajoling from others)  refreshed all 4 corners on his 2 at Ding Day, not to be recommended on a daily drive though.
Plus Gas all nuts before you start and plan to do one end a day/session.

Any time left at the end of each " day" you can devote to fitting a @Smcknighty (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23495) turbo!
Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: ilovejapcrap on July 28, 2018, 22:14
I've just done mine.

Pics of shock in bits on my project build thread.


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Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: Ardent on July 28, 2018, 22:27
Sombrero

Covered many time on here. Better to save up and do the lot. False economy putting 2nd hand shocks on.  Same with people who consider just sprigs or just shocks. Ultimately you will end up paying twice for the same labour.

You do have the advantage of being close to loughborough and Steve at D1 Customs, you have the comfort of knowing the job will be done correctly.
Title: Re: I think this might be the culprit
Post by: SombreroPeak on July 28, 2018, 22:56
Quite agree Ardent, he did my post-purchase inspection, followed by my subframe and front bearing; absolutely top job and a top guy to boot. Guess I'll start filling that piggy bank again!

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