I have my MeisterRs fitted but the car is rly bouncy to the point that im scared to drive it.. Can you give me any base settings so i can drive to the alignment shop? I cant experiment because i should not drive too much with alignment out of spec - i polybushed the whole suspension together with the coils so the alignment is all over the place.
Bouncing is usually not enough damping, I'm 12 front-18 rear which is fairly firm.
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Just checking too, you know to adjust the setting it's all the way off then bring it back up to however many clicks you want?
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on April 16, 2019, 11:15
Just checking too, you know to adjust the setting it's all the way off then bring it back up to however many clicks you want?
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I gotta go to full stiff then do the clicks backwards. At least it used to be like this with my civic.
Double check the instructions on the meisters, I'm 99% it's all off to let them relax and then back up.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on April 16, 2019, 11:37
Double check the instructions on the meisters, I'm 99% it's all off to let them relax and then back up.
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So 12 front and 22 rear from full stiff doesnt work for me. The car jumps so much that my foot is getting off the throttle. The ride is god awful, do you have any spring preload? I didnt have this on my civic and i have driven it with rly stiff settings say 10 and 12 from full stiff and it was an awesome drive, never experienced jumping like i do now. I guess i cant compare the 2 cars but i think that front springs are too soft/stiff for the 2. @meisterr (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=16954) any input please?
What does the instruction book say about preload?
I cant remember what they say but it sounds like you have no preload when there should be some leading to the uncontrolled movement?
If its that bad, I can see why you wouldnt want to drive it.
Preload is factory set, unless you've changed it accidentally setting the heights?
Are you saying 12 clicks back from full and 22 back on the rear? It could be too much of a difference front to rear that's not letting it settle? I know mine took a fair bit of tweaking to get something like, particularly on dual carriageways and older motorway sections with a lot of undulations.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on April 18, 2019, 06:45
Preload is factory set, unless you've changed it accidentally setting the heights?
Are you saying 12 clicks back from full and 22 back on the rear? It could be too much of a difference front to rear that's not letting it settle? I know mine took a fair bit of tweaking to get something like, particularly on dual carriageways and older motorway sections with a lot of undulations.
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Hey,
So first idk what u mean by full if full soft or full stiff, i have read on MeisterRs that we need to turn them to full stiff and then soften them up coz of the valve system inside. My impressions from my 2km drive is that the springs are just not stiff enough for some stiff settings for the dampers. So id try front 20 from hard in the front and rear 25 or something like this something like this:
| | | front
| | | rear
Soft Stiff
MeisterR initial settings were like 20+ from stiff in the rear and 6-7 from stiff in front.
So what im experiencing now is that the spring compress way too much in the initial dip and then the car bounces back rly fast so it literally jumps. I guess I can address this with some spring preload or stiffer springs. Im planning to use rears in the front and to order 10kg springs for the rear but wanted to try it softer. As it seems ill have to make it rly rly soft in order to be driveable
Not sciencestiffic or anything but I had the same when I had my BCs put on years ago. On full soft it was stupid bouncy. Even considered selling and going stock.
Then I firmed it up to about 10F/12R and it was much better, but obviously harsher.
Got used to it. Loved it.
But soon after, when I put it back down to full soft, it wasn't bouncy anymore. I actually run full soft most of the time now.
Tommyzoom was running his full soft last time I had a ride in his.
So maybe there's some settling in to be done?
I am very surprised that you think the springs are too soft as too hard springs are usually the main criticism of coilovers.
I have meisterRs and run them on something like 6 and 8 from soft.
Quote from: Topdownman on April 18, 2019, 09:07
I am very surprised that you think the springs are too soft as too hard springs are usually the main criticism of coilovers.
I have meisterRs and run them on something like 6 and 8 from soft.
Maybe the dampers need some time to settle. Ill try some soft settings when im driving the car to the alignment shop. Wont set any preload for now.
I had it the wrong way round in my head as regards adjustment, you're right in that it's full on then back off.
What I meant was are you going 22 back from full which would give you a setting of 10 from soft? Or 10 back from full to give you 22 from soft?
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on April 18, 2019, 09:24
I had it the wrong way round in my head as regards adjustment, you're right in that it's full on then back off.
What I meant was are you going 22 back from full which would give you a setting of 10 from soft? Or 10 back from full to give you 22 from soft?
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22 back from full stiff - 10 from soft :) the rear end is behaving better but the front is insane. Soooo ill try 5 from full soft or something and it should be good. IMO for some stiff settings we need stiffer springs :)
Stiffer springs will make it worse, I think what you need to do is start again at a base level you know and just keep trying.
If you're only on 10 from soft at the rear you're probably not damping enough. I don't think I could get any lower than 12 without it "bouncing", if I remember rightly the rear springs are stiffer than the front anyway?
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on April 18, 2019, 09:55
Stiffer springs will make it worse, I think what you need to do is start again at a base level you know and just keep trying.
If you're only on 10 from soft at the rear you're probably not damping enough. I don't think I could get any lower than 12 without it "bouncing", if I remember rightly the rear springs are stiffer than the front anyway?
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Yeah 5f/7r. Its not bouncing in a way when your shocks are gone but more in a violent way. So i guess my damping is set to stiffer that the springs can take.
I always run mine quite soft.
If I'm honest they work better with the extra weight of the V6 and the PFL 15" wheels.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on April 18, 2019, 09:55
Stiffer springs will make it worse, I think what you need to do is start again at a base level you know and just keep trying.
If you're only on 10 from soft at the rear you're probably not damping enough. I don't think I could get any lower than 12 without it "bouncing", if I remember rightly the rear springs are stiffer than the front anyway?
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Yeah 5f/7r. Its not bouncing in a way when your shocks are gone but more in a violent way. So i guess my damping is set to stiffer that the springs can take.
Just define "bouncing" for us? Are you talking about rebound on the springs or the wheels actually leaving the road kind of bouncing?
If it's rebound then you've not got enough damping I would've said?
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I still think it sounds like the preload is wrong on the fronts.
If it is wrong it makes a huge difference. I would check this before the alignment is done.
Quote from: Topdownman on April 18, 2019, 10:29
I still think it sounds like the preload is wrong on the fronts.
If it is wrong it makes a huge difference. I would check this before the alignment is done.
The guys at the shop will do it coz they will do corner balancing and stuff. I dont have any tools at home that i can use and they will have the car tomorrow. Its a wet dream to have a lift at home so i can work on the car in the garage. I did take off the plastics yday and this is the only thing i did alone :D
Quote from: Topdownman on April 18, 2019, 10:29
I still think it sounds like the preload is wrong on the fronts.
If it is wrong it makes a huge difference. I would check this before the alignment is done.
So its not the car bouncing like you would have then your shocks are gone and just the springs are working(you push the front and it moves up and down w/o stopping) but its like u get into any imperfection of the road and it feels like the front wheels are getting up in the air. U get the dip - spring compress and then it bounces back violently. Idk if i explained it right.
Quote from: Nvy on April 18, 2019, 11:21
Quote from: Topdownman on April 18, 2019, 10:29
I still think it sounds like the preload is wrong on the fronts.
If it is wrong it makes a huge difference. I would check this before the alignment is done.
The guys at the shop will do it coz they will do corner balancing and stuff. I dont have any tools at home that i can use and they will have the car tomorrow. Its a wet dream to have a lift at home so i can work on the car in the garage. I did take off the plastics yday and this is the only thing i did alone :D
All the tools you need for preload and height should've come with them in the box, basically just some C spanners (that slip like a barsteward). As long as you didn't spin the top collar when you were fitting them then they should be set. The top collar should just be taking up the slack in the spring, not actually starting to compress it at all, so you can still turn it by hand.
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Quote from: Nvy on April 18, 2019, 11:29
Quote from: Topdownman on April 18, 2019, 10:29
I still think it sounds like the preload is wrong on the fronts.
If it is wrong it makes a huge difference. I would check this before the alignment is done.
So its not the car bouncing like you would have then your shocks are gone and just the springs are working(you push the front and it moves up and down w/o stopping) but its like u get into any imperfection of the road and it feels like the front wheels are getting up in the air. U get the dip - spring compress and then it bounces back violently. Idk if i explained it right.
Sounds like not enough damping to be honest, mine felt like it would never stop bouncing when they were set too soft.
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Ah you say you polybushed it? Maybe that won't help, also what tyres do you have?
I tried my Meisters on full soft, 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 hard. To be honest didn't feel a huge difference so went for 1/2 way settings.
I have ad08r and full soft works for me. If i want to run some rly stiff settings 10+ ill need stiffer springs for sure or else it jumps way too much.
Okie, back to this topic i have more than 500 kms on the coils. I dislike my suspension at the moment.. few points to mention:
1. The car is bouncy no matter what damping i set it at. If i set it to too stiff the front bounces off the road.
2. It doesnt inspire any confidence what so ever.
3. Preload was not touch when installing.
4. I was expecting harsh ride but not bouncy. On my civic the car was bouncy at first but after stiffening the dampers it got fixed.
Seems like the coilovers are under performing.. Im no expert and i do have some experience only with my civic's coils but the story is a whole different coz of the front mounted engine. Anybody else care to share their experience?
I think if you haven't already then you need to be putting these questions to Meister, it's always possible you've got a rogue set of badly made ones as your issues seem to be more unique to your installation.
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Quote from: Nvy on May 22, 2019, 10:45
Okie, back to this topic i have more than 500 kms on the coils. I dislike my suspension at the moment.. few points to mention:
1. The car is bouncy no matter what damping i set it at. If i set it to too stiff the front bounces off the road.
2. It doesnt inspire any confidence what so ever.
3. Preload was not touch when installing.
4. I was expecting harsh ride but not bouncy. On my civic the car was bouncy at first but after stiffening the dampers it got fixed.
Seems like the coilovers are under performing.. Im no expert and i do have some experience only with my civic's coils but the story is a whole different coz of the front mounted engine. Anybody else care to share their experience?
Which end feels unsettled?
1. There is physically no way the car can bounce more on 5/7 springs and very low rebound setting. The springs are harder to compress and if you have the rebound set very low, it takes SO long for them to decompress that there is no way it can bounce the car up. I suspect what you're perceiving as "bounce" is actually deflection off the road surface. I.e. The suspension is too hard for the surface you're on. I encounter this regularly on very bumpy b-roads. Someone on stock suspension would outperform me no problem as they can absorb the rough road while my chassis deflects off the bumps.
So you're right, it makes for an unsettling ride. But.. On smoother "normal" roads with a sociable level of road defects, the levels of balance and grip are incomparable. It's a compromise. If you see more bumpy roads, you're definitely better off with different coilies or KYB+Tein springs or the like.
2. Covered above.
3. You'd know if it was too tight (no compliance at all and teeth rattled out) or too lose (rattling and crashing noises). All good.
4. See 1 :)
I realise that doesn't help at all but I'd be temped to set it to full hard and after every drive (with a decent amoubt of corners) turn it down one notch until you get to near full soft. Hopefully that "works" it in and should only take a few days
Am I reading this correct
Wound all the way to full stiff setting 0 and your winding it 22 clicks ?
Quote from: wotugonado on May 22, 2019, 12:17
Am I reading this correct
Wound all the way to full stiff setting 0 and your winding it to 22 clicks ?
At the moment im on full soft. But yeah, the above is right.
Blimey.
Sounds like your way to soft.
Hard is 0 soft is 32
And your on 22
Mid point would be 16 and your 6 clicks past this into the soft setting, I'd try dialing it right back
http://www.meisterr.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/MeisterR-Manual.pdf
Buenos dias Ivo,
As was observed before; ´bouncy´ at the front is subjective. It can be too hard springs, too hard damping, anything in between to a mistaken observation.
Have you contacted MeisterR or read/followed their instructions.
Quote from: Petrus on May 23, 2019, 09:30
Buenos dias Ivo,
As was observed before; ´bouncy´ at the front is subjective. It can be too hard springs, too hard damping, anything in between to a mistaken observation.
Have you contacted MeisterR or read/followed their instructions.
Yeah, read and contacted. It was suggested i stiffen up the damping but that makes it even worse. Ill give it a go once more.
Stupid question maybe but did you get a proper alignment done after fitting?
Quote from: Nvy on May 23, 2019, 09:50
Yeah, read and contacted. It was suggested i stiffen up the damping but that makes it even worse. Ill give it a go once more.
Their point being that the 5 kg springs need matching damping.
It may be that the set up is a bit firm to your taste for your local roads? Have you had someone else used to comp. type setups try the car?
The only time mine feels bouncy is when it's set too soft.
Quote from: Petrus on May 23, 2019, 10:17
Quote from: Nvy on May 23, 2019, 09:50
Yeah, read and contacted. It was suggested i stiffen up the damping but that makes it even worse. Ill give it a go once more.
Their point being that the 5 kg springs need matching damping.
It may be that the set up is a bit firm to your taste for your local roads? Have you had someone else used to comp. type setups try the car?
A guy that is doing fairly well on every event that we have in Bulgaria(top 5 all the time) said that the springs are too soft. I dont mind stiff suspension coz i had 8gen civic with coilovers and believe me that car was not rolling at all with coils set to 10 clicks from stiffest settings.
How would you describe firm?
When i set the damping to say 10-15 clicks from stiff and i go over a tiny imperfection of the road where my other car(Mazda 6) would not bounce at all but will just absorb it, the roadster bounces so much that my foot gets off the gas. If thats the expected behavior than i have it but if its not then i have to find the problem. The tricky part with it is that there are not many knowledgeable ppl that are willing to help around here. I just have the feedback from the guy who tried my car.
With the TTE i never had this to be honest.
One thing Ivo; the MR2 does not have a lot of weight up front.
Now, there is no reason why a proper set up should result in bouncy but the same bumps will have more effect on a lighter car than on a heavier.
As to ´bouncy´.
This can mean the car being bounced UP by a bump or.
The car bouncing back by rebound.
It really is quite impossible to remote cure by proxy through unclear definition/perception.
The only answer can be:
1. Follow manufacturer instructions.
2. Contact manufacturer.
3. Seek suspension specialist help. Yes that will mean paying for their time/expertise.
I am sorry that more specific help is nigh impossible regardless of the good intentions.
Quote from: shnazzle on May 23, 2019, 09:52
Stupid question maybe but did you get a proper alignment done after fitting?
Not stupid but yeah i got alignment. The car was rly scary after everything was replaced :D
Front toe +0.5
-2.2 both sides
Rear toe +3
-2.2 both sides
Just picking up on something you said there; what are you using this car for?
If you're doing track work, ghymkana, touge, that kind of stuff.. You may be absolutely right. You may need to look at 10/12kg springs and appropriate dampers.
I was assuming day to day driving, normal road undulations and potholes etc.
Quote from: Petrus on May 23, 2019, 10:55
One thing Ivo; the MR2 does not have a lot of weight up front.
Now, there is no reason why a proper set up should result in bouncy but the same bumps will have more effect on a lighter car than on a heavier.
As to ´bouncy´.
This can mean the car being bounced UP by a bump or.
The car bouncing back by rebound.
It really is quite impossible to remote cure by proxy through unclear definition/perception.
The only answer can be:
1. Follow manufacturer instructions.
2. Contact manufacturer.
3. Seek suspension specialist help. Yes that will mean paying for their time/expertise.
I am sorry that more specific help is nigh impossible regardless of the good intentions.
I get that, thanks for trying! Ill try to get some guys around here to have a look. They are racing in GT3 so i guess they have some expertise. Its rly hard to get them do anything specific to other cars tho.
Quote from: shnazzle on May 23, 2019, 11:05
Just picking up on something you said there; what are you using this car for?
If you're doing track work, ghymkana, touge, that kind of stuff.. You may be absolutely right. You may need to look at 10/12kg springs and appropriate dampers.
I was assuming day to day driving, normal road undulations and potholes etc.
Using the car as a daily at the moment to get used to it. Later this year will do some track days but want to set it up right before crashing it again in a wall. Your assumption is right.