Ok, I am going for Moto-Lita.
Size still on the fence; 13 or 14".
Will be a flat model, either rivited wood rim or leather wrapped.
The latter is more middle of the road but probably with good practical reason. The former looks way more classic and is afaik pretty unique in a Spyder but, again, probaly with good practical reason.
Any first hand feed back, whichever car, is very welcome ;)
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By jove, with the 9 to 6 hole adapter, the Moto-Lita comes at the same price as an OMP Superleggera and thát is ... well, super light. Twice my 100 €/kg rule of thumb though as the ´basic´ OMP is rather a lot cheaper. Hmmm.
I wouldn't think a wooden wheel would be great in the Spanish heat. The varnish becomes sticky with heat/sweat.
Personal opinion...the MR2 is a Millenial car...doesn't suit a wooden wheel.
It's what you touch the most on the car....don't scrimp. If a new Mota-lita or Momo etc is too expensive, I'd go for a used one. Bargains to be had, & if you buy used, & you don't like it, sell & try another one.
Bear in mind a Momo wheel boss is around the £80 mark. It only fits 3 cars, so made in low volume presumably.
Quote from: Gaz mr-s on September 22, 2019, 10:23I wouldn't think a wooden wheel would be great in the Spanish heat. The varnish becomes sticky with heat/sweat.
Personal opinion...the MR2 is a Millenial car...doesn't suit a wooden wheel.
It's what you touch the most on the car....don't scrimp. If a new Mota-lita or Momo etc is too expensive, I'd go for a used one. Bargains to be had, & if you buy used, & you don't like it, sell & try another one.
Bear in mind a Momo wheel boss is around the £80 mark. It only fits 3 cars, so made in low volume presumably.
Thanks for the thoughts shared.
The ´sticky´ obeservation applies to polyurethane and leather too. The latter is actually quite bad, the worst really; smoothed suede is best; perforated pu second; normal pu and wood in between.
´Too expensive´ is relative. Yes indeed; it is as with tyres imo too. The tyres are the contact patch with the road for the car; the steering wheel my hands on contact with car thús road.
I will definitely go quality or not do it.
The boss is a given whichever hoop I go for.
Momo is state of the art, Moto-Lita só retro (wood perhaps a bit too). The M-Ls need a special adapter adding weight and another 80€ making it almost on par with higher end Momo. I mean; a perfectly ok perforated pu Momo is 100€. So, what are looks alone worth??
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Thánks!!!
Perfect reference of how the M-L would look.
Now, álso a plus for the wood one as it would be different :)) :))
What diameter is your´s? 14"?
Just got a response from an ML seller; he weighed the 14" leather wrapped; 110 gramm. Add the adapter and boss = on par with OEM for the price of a new Momo Superleggero 700 gramm lighter.
Wood is a nothc lighter and cheapen, lóads more .... euhmmm... classic :-)
It wasn't originally bought for the '2', but coincidentally is the same diameter as o/e. Smaller would impinge on the view of the dials. The rim has a slimmer profile, but not really noticeable until you use the 'wheel.
The wheel+boss is lighter than o/e + airbag. Not by a huge amount, as the boss is big.
Unless you got a very dark wood, it would not look good, IMO... it would clash with the rest of the interior. You will also get a used leather wheel for much less than a wooden. I got nearly £200 for a used wooden wheel earlier this year.
Found an as new display wood one for 140 Euros...
Have stripped the interior and will fit chrome rings to add a bit of retro....
Oh my, a regional rally shop has a 350mm Superleggero on offer...
(https://www.s2ki.com/forums/attachments/s2000-gallery-12/132129d1501791993-fish22-s-lbp-asm-volk-oem-kw-dsc_0275.jpg)
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Classic woodrim doés look verrrrrry nice in a Spyder though:
(https://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2009-11/13/7989266-1-2.jpg&width=960)
Nardi, Momo, Sparco and Personal also offer wood rim version. Nardi a whole range and Momo several including a ´plastic´ woodlook one.
The Sparco SanRemo is not half bad, a perfect 355mm and a straight 6 bolt fit. It would cost exactly the same as the Momo Superleggero.
(https://www.rallyshop.pl/galerie/k/kierownica-sparco-sanrem_41952.jpg)
Looking at Sparco, encountered the lightest commercially availeble steering wheel; the Sparco Carbon 385.
It weighs, you can guess it; 385 gramms :o
Pricey though at abouy 1k €. Good thing it is 330mm. ;D
Feeling a bit defeated by a luxury non-problem.
Can not decide on a riveted woodrim or a thick suede rim; i.e Sparco SanRemo or OMP Superleggero.
The latter is imo too INYOURFÁCE modern in the rather retro Spyder and the former... well dunno; might be too retro, might be just the ticket in my part bare metal interior.
To make matter worse, saw a C2 Corvette this afternoon; has an OEM woodrim...
Kept my mind off it finding things to unbolt from the car. They are now unbolted.
So went down to the gas station and the garage to see if perhaps a package/parcel had arrived. The chrome dash rings or the flip up fuel cap, mabybe bóth even. Nope, neither to distract me O:-)
Will install the chrome dash rings first and see how the interior looks with that.
Quote from: Gaz mr-s on September 22, 2019, 10:23Personal opinion...the MR2 is a Millenial car...doesn't suit a wooden wheel.
Given that quite a bit of thought.
Not so much whether it would suit it or not, but what the Spyder ís.
Ok, so it is for the 21st C. yet it is a lot of things nót. It is sportive but not a proper sports car. It is modern but very much from the middle of the road parts bin.
And the design, the styling, well that is definitely nót modern, not 21st c., definitely retro. That is very much a millennium thing btw. The Mini, Beetle, Abarth Spider, 500, 11th gen. Thunderbird etc. The Spyder is a child of thát stream and imo leaning heavily on the Porsche Speedster; see the Zagato:
(https://www.classicdriver.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/article_images/206-zagato-1015-copyright-mathieu-bonnevie-1920_0.jpg?itok=9i6qeJ4k)
The interior too. It is totally nót the modern car route which goes enveloping cockpit. The Spyder resembles more my 1974 DAF 55 Marathon interior!! than a Boxter or MX to name two.
(https://images.auto55.be/popup/153333-daf-55-marathon-interieur.jpg)
So, millenial car yes. Totally. For no other epoque could the retro thing have been so strong in mainstream car design.
The wonderful variety in the car world:
(https://www.rockwestracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/SpeedsterE_Interior.jpg)
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(https://dxsdcl7y7vn9x.cloudfront.net/3/265341/7395266/828071813.jpg)
Quote from: Petrus on September 26, 2019, 11:14Quote from: Gaz mr-s on September 22, 2019, 10:23Personal opinion...the MR2 is a Millenial car...doesn't suit a wooden wheel.
Given that quite a bit of thought.
Not so much whether it would suit it or not, but what the Spyder ís.
Not really what I meant. Not so much as to when it was made, more how it is constructed.... black plastic everywhere.
I had an attractive wooden wheel but there was no way it would look good in the '2'. Plus, personally they aren't as nice/practical to 'wheel' as a leather wheel. So I sold it.
You mentioned getting chrome rings to fit your instrument binnacle (I've been told they are fiddly to fit...??) so perhaps a new wheel should have chrome or bright metal, but wood...??..hmmm....
Quote from: Gaz mr-s on September 26, 2019, 13:27Not really what I meant. Not so much as to when it was made, more how it is constructed.... black plastic everywhere.
I had an attractive wooden wheel but there was no way it would look good in the '2'. Plus, personally they aren't as nice/practical to 'wheel' as a leather wheel. So I sold it.
Pity you did not try it and make a snapshot.
I am not convinced either way.
I do think the modern thick rimmed sports wheels clash with the retro look of the car. Worst of all thick suéde which by cruel coincidence is the most pleasant here.
Well and there is the fact I am hereditary burdened; my father and several generations before him were cartenters...
As to the plastic; I get what you mean yet that is nothing new in car interiors and dates back to before the popular (well relatively) use of wood rims in the sixties/seventies.
Also, with the carpet out, the metal panels change the look dramatically. The grey paint accentuated the metal look.
QuoteYou mentioned getting chrome rings to fit your instrument binnacle (I've been told they are fiddly to fit...??) so perhaps a new wheel should have chrome or bright metal, but wood...??..hmmm....
Not received them yet and they may look nice or not in my eyes. I thought to give it a try because of the rather retro look chrome gear stick surround.
(https://www.km77.com/marcas/toyota/mr2_03/0primera/med/04.jpg)
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One of the few car mod things you can fiddle with sitting behind the steering wheel :-)
I agree that with those in, the steering wheel spokes would need be polished/chrome.
I will form an opinion about them when I have them fitted.
Saw some photos here and elsewhere and thought it worth a try; less plastic-like ;-)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/s-wAAOSwQ6pZkuVH/s-l500.jpg)
So, chrome ring gauges, chrome gear shift gate, black dash cover, wood rim steering wheel....
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/z/KMcAAOSw~IldfV5L/$_59.JPG)
Appearently Mazda fitted several Special Edition Miatas with a wood rim steering wheel. Must be some marketing supporting that; wood adding to the SE special.
Mostly not vey good looking examples btw as most were fitted with airbags.
Contrary to what I expected they look better in a black interior; with black it has a vintage touch, with tan it is imo wáy over the top fake luxury in a retro Britisch sports cabrio
But hey personal preferences are per definition .... personal. No discussing taste and there is a reason for the two dozen plus of creative variaties in most ice cream shops.
(https://www.autoshrine.com/registry/pictures/185180/2001_Mazda_Miata_Special_Edition_British_Racing_Green_Larry_Schupp_002.jpg)
Anyway, off to the Oktoberfest in Archidona.
You´d think ´Oktoberfest´ would have something to do with Oktober but it´s 27-29 September...
Quote from: Petrus on September 27, 2019, 17:35Anyway, off to the Oktoberfest in Archidona.
You´d think ´Oktoberfest´ would have something to do with Oktober but it´s 27-29 September...
That was surprisingly fun; a beerfest in the mountainous andalucian heartland. Beer stand ánd food trucks.
All wooden tables and benches; só much more pleasurable, REAL than plastic. Makes you think.
Right, being abducted to Córdoba for the weekend.
Placed an order for:
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Tomorrow I will try take a photo of how the interior looks now. It´s very seventies retro imo.
The idea is to find and fit a seventies ´checkered flag´ horn button center.
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I'm very much looking forward to see how it looks!
Quote from: Snelbaard on October 3, 2019, 19:10I'm very much looking forward to see how it looks!
So am I :-O
I opted for this one because:
- A-brand manufacturer
- 6 bolt fitting, no adaptor needed
- 355mm diameter
- neither flat nor deep dish; 45mm.
Ordered a Momo collapsable boss with it.
Almost stock size, simple & safe mounting.
Should be marginally smaller, lighter and closer.
As for looks I thought it not as retro as the Moto-Lita yet not as posh as the Nardi.
Fingers crossed it pans out well.
They seem to be popular in Japan. Not sure though whether that is good or not; the Vertex deep dish in the most gaudy colors is even more popular there o ;-)
(https://myalbum.com/photo/CY37TpfZdeqx/1k0.jpg)
My excuses for the lighting; the sun is a bit low.
I hoped the beach and mediterranean would be visible through the windscreen but alas; too bright.
Am waiting for the evening´s gf at the paseo maritimo de Gualdalmar. It´s sublime.
The beach club where we are meeting up though, is closing at 19.00 they just told me, per the 1st of Oct.
Two charming ladies whom I asked for an alternative are locals and gave me directions to an alternative club. If my date is not ok with it, they´d be happy to take me they said.
The waitress offered that I could stay on the terrace because she was ceaning up till much later anyway.
Next she commented on the silver Ferrari in front with the great piant scheme. Well, it´s not a Ferrari but thank you for the compliment. Wow, it´s yoúrs!? I lóve the... etcetera.
Mán I love my life.
(https://myalbum.com/photo/cd6BSFnVErmX/1k0.jpg)
What a surprise; at 13 min. a ´wooden´ steering wheel ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEukiEVTTtQ
Quote from: Petrus on September 22, 2019, 11:22Quote from: Gaz mr-s on September 22, 2019, 10:23I wouldn't think a wooden wheel would be great in the Spanish heat. The varnish becomes sticky with heat/sweat.
Personal opinion...the MR2 is a Millenial car...doesn't suit a wooden wheel.
It's what you touch the most on the car....don't scrimp. If a new Mota-lita or Momo etc is too expensive, I'd go for a used one. Bargains to be had, & if you buy used, & you don't like it, sell & try another one.
Bear in mind a Momo wheel boss is around the £80 mark. It only fits 3 cars, so made in low volume presumably.
Thanks for the thoughts shared.
The ´sticky´ obeservation applies to polyurethane and leather too. The latter is actually quite bad, the worst really; smoothed suede is best; perforated pu second; normal pu and wood in between.
´Too expensive´ is relative. Yes indeed; it is as with tyres imo too. The tyres are the contact patch with the road for the car; the steering wheel my hands on contact with car thús road.
I will definitely go quality or not do it.
The boss is a given whichever hoop I go for.
Momo is state of the art, Moto-Lita só retro (wood perhaps a bit too). The M-Ls need a special adapter adding weight and another 80€ making it almost on par with higher end Momo. I mean; a perfectly ok perforated pu Momo is 100€. So, what are looks alone worth??
(https://imgur.com/btgV4XP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PGLKrp3.jpg)
I love the dash look, its awesome. Im totally in love, can we retrofit something like that?