Hi there. Now I know that what I'm about to ask has been covered in the past but to be honest reading the comments just leaves me more confused..it's about wheels...mine are coming up for a referb...and I know.. but keep reading.. I fancy these 17" D1R BPL ALLOY WHEELS...can anyone give me a definitive answer about offset tyre size etc ... sorry to have probably bored you all..but it's a lot of money to pay and find out they rub etc... totally standard 06 car
Regards Stuart
search for web site will they fit.
Good starting point.
17s are viewed by the majority on here as cosmetic only.
Some like how they drive, but not many.
I would suggest trying to find a ride in one before committing wine tokens.
Edit
Do you like how yours drives now?
Do you think it will be better on 17s?
Thanks for your comment..I like the drive on the standard wheels yes it's brilliant..I expect it's a cosmetic thing as I don't like the amount of tyre on the front compared with the rear wheels plus the front wheel itself doesn't seem to fill the arch enough.. nothing against the style of the wheels at all they are a good looking wheel and easy to clean and locally I can get them refurbished in a few nice colo0urs including shadow sliver for £188.. would a pair of rear standard wheels go on the front with wider tyres on the back and thinner on the front that would be great for me ..
Are you determined to spoil the handling of your car Stuart? Because of the limited variety of tyres that are available 1n 15 & 16" that fit the car, some folk go up one size of tyre width on the front. They may then go up one width on the back, but not always.
I've seen mention of people trying wide fronts & not liking them. I believe guys that race them sometimes put the wider 15" rear from a pfl on the front of an FL, - maybe someone can confirm.
Bear in mind too the 16" rear wheel is quite a bit heavier than the 15" front...so changing that is slowing the car. Ditto 17" wheels & 17" tyres... weight!
Wheel arch space... you could alter the springs or use spacers. I have a set of spacers that I bought from a club member (ie off an MR2) but I have aftermarket wheels & nuts & can't use them. PM me if you want info.
I do agree 17s look fantastic. The sp12 alloys we had are undeniably one of the best looks on the car.
We had
SP12 7.5j et45 + Uniroyal Rainsport 3s 205/40/17 weighs 15.5kg-ish (Front)
SP12 8j et50 + Uniroyal Rainsport 3s 245/40/17 weighs 18kg-ish (Rear)
And Matt did get them sized very well for the MR2.
I believe the tyre size on the rear was a bit oversized if I'm not mistake, should be 235, so we scraped a little on lowered tte springs. But on the intended setup that size never scrapes
We went back to 15/16 due to not liking the handling
On a stock car 17" heavier wheels will effect the handling and performance
Mostly work better on cars with upgraded engines either turbo, 2ZZ etc
Note Pats comment above many end up going back to stock
Quote from: Bernie on February 28, 2020, 08:10On a stock car 17" heavier wheels will effect the handling and performance
Mostly work better on cars with upgraded engines either turbo, 2ZZ etc
Note Pats comment above many end up going back to stock
"Stock Cubed" 8)
Quote from: Gaz mr-s on February 28, 2020, 01:11Are you determined to spoil the handling of your car Stuart? Because of the limited variety of tyres that are available 1n 15 & 16" that fit the car, some folk go up one size of tyre width on the front. They may then go up one width on the back, but not always.
I've seen mention of people trying wide fronts & not liking them. I believe guys that race them sometimes put the wider 15" rear from a pfl on the front of an FL, - maybe someone can confirm.
Bear in mind too the 16" rear wheel is quite a bit heavier than the 15" front...so changing that is slowing the car. Ditto 17" wheels & 17" tyres... weight!
Wheel arch space... you could alter the springs or use spacers. I have a set of spacers that I bought from a club member (ie off an MRQuote from: Gaz mr-s on February 28, 2020, 01:11Are you determined to spoil the handling of your car Stuart? Because of the limited variety of tyres that are available 1n 15 & 16" that fit the car, some folk go up one size of tyre width on the front. They may then go up one width on the back, but not always.
I've seen mention of people trying wide fronts & not liking them. I believe guys that race them sometimes put the wider 15" rear from a pfl on the front of an FL, - maybe someone can confirm.
Bear in mind too the 16" rear wheel is quite a bit heavier than the 15" front...so changing that is slowing the car. Ditto 17" wheels & 17" tyres... weight!
Wheel arch space... you could alter the springs or use spacers. I have a set of spacers that I bought from a club member (ie off an MR2) but I have aftermarket wheels & nuts & can't use them. PM me if you want info.
2) but I have aftermarket wheels & nuts & can't use them. PM me if you want info.
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sorry you start off having a dig then mentioned spring hight and spacers etc ..I'm sure that would alter the handling... anyway I don't like lowered cars dragging their arse along the road...then you say you have aftermarket wheels on yours ...I don't understand
Sorry you felt I was having a go, it was meant to be more light-hearted than that.
There's a big difference between slightly lowered & "dragging the arse along the ground".
A common mod is changing to Tein springs. The drop is approx 30mm. It does give the car a better stance.
But not a good idea unless the shocks are fresh.
Another option is to cut a little off the O/E springs. A few have done so.
Since you like the look of the std wheels why not keep them? They are pretty light, - can't be said for many stock wheels.
I have aftermarket wheels, but in stock diameters. They need aftermarket nuts too, & the ones I use don't give enough thread to allow the spacers. They are ok with O/E wheels though.
Thanks for clarifying the situation..I wouldn't cut springs down to size not recommended at all .on the topic of different manufacturers wheels I have looked at that option however most manufacturers don't or won't supply staggered sizes as the originals...well not in my choices any way perhaps you would be kind enough to post a picture of your car ... thanks for your comments
I like these https://www.wheelbasealloys.com/alloy-wheels/rota/grid/gun-metal-polished-lip/16-inch/toyota/mr2/mk3-roadster
But can't find them in staggered sizes ... opinions welcome on these obviously with staggered tyre width
Thanks
Or it's looking like a refurbishment of the originals.. expect that they have done well as would be first refurbishment
Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 15:48I like these https://www.wheelbasealloys.com/alloy-wheels/rota/grid/gun-metal-polished-lip/16-inch/toyota/mr2/mk3-roadster
But can't find them in staggered sizes ... opinions welcome on these obviously with staggered tyre width
Thanks
Or it's looking like a refurbishment of the originals.. expect that they have done well as would be first refurbishment
Might be worth trying Demon Tweeks they supplied my previous Rota's in staggered sizes
Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 15:31Thanks for clarifying the situation..I wouldn't cut springs down to size not recommended at all .on the topic of different manufacturers wheels I have looked at that option however most manufacturers don't or won't supply staggered sizes as the originals...well not in my choices any way perhaps you would be kind enough to post a picture of your car ... thanks for your comments
Hi Stuart
Lowered c/w stock wheels...
Quote from: SV-3 on February 28, 2020, 16:05Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 15:31Thanks for clarifying the situation..I wouldn't cut springs down to size not recommended at all .on the topic of different manufacturers wheels I have looked at that option however most manufacturers don't or won't supply staggered sizes as the originals...well not in my choices any way perhaps you would be kind enough to post a picture of your car ... thanks for your comments
Hi Stuart
Lowered c/w stock wheels...
That's really nice...iv found these with staggered tyre sizes..in 16" I'd appreciate your comments thanks
https://m.rimstyle.com/pages/basket/
Quote from: SV-3 on February 28, 2020, 16:05Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 15:31Thanks for clarifying the situation..I wouldn't cut springs down to size not recommended at all .on the topic of different manufacturers wheels I have looked at that option however most manufacturers don't or won't supply staggered sizes as the originals...well not in my choices any way perhaps you would be kind enough to post a picture of your car ... thanks for your comments
Hi Stuart
Lowered c/w stock wheels...
Looking good!!
Quote from: Bernie on February 28, 2020, 16:04Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 15:48I like these https://www.wheelbasealloys.com/alloy-wheels/rota/grid/gun-metal-polished-lip/16-inch/toyota/mr2/mk3-roadster
But can't find them in staggered sizes ... opinions welcome on these obviously with staggered tyre width
Thanks
Or it's looking like a refurbishment of the originals.. expect that they have done well as would be first refurbishment
Might be worth trying Demon Tweeks they supplied my previous Rota's in staggered sizes
Thanks for your reply and help in regards to the staggered sizes did you go for 16 rear and 15 front or 17 rear and 16 front?
Regards
Quote from: SV-3 on February 28, 2020, 16:05Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 15:31Thanks for clarifying the situation..I wouldn't cut springs down to size not recommended at all .on the topic of different manufacturers wheels I have looked at that option however most manufacturers don't or won't supply staggered sizes as the originals...well not in my choices any way perhaps you would be kind enough to post a picture of your car ... thanks for your comments
Hi Stuart
Lowered c/w stock wheels...
Very nice looking car thanks for posting
I've been following this thread and biting my tongue a little. I do think it's generally agreed, that for everyday road use, the standard suspension and wheel set-up is as good as it gets.
As I pointed out to Shnazzle while we were working on his lowered car (he has BC adjustable struts) that you can't see the outside of the car while you're driving it!!
All of these cars are getting a little long in the tooth, and a refresh of the stock suspension works wonders.
To me these silly little cars are about driving fun more than anything, and I don't really care about 'looks'.
My vote is refurbish what you've got and spend the savings on new shocks and a-arms. ;D
Quote from: Carolyn on February 28, 2020, 18:51I've been following this thread and biting my tongue a
As I pointed out to Shnazzle while we were working on his lowered car (he has BC adjustable struts) that you can't see the outside of the car while you're driving it!!
Spot on.
Very much like the soúnd of the exhaust: Who cares how it sounds to onlookers? It´s how it sounds while driving that matters! and with road holding it´s that to the power of it.
Now the caveat is that if you never drive the car like you stole it, 17" will be fine and yes, they do look more modern ;-)
Demon Tweeks supplied 15" fronts 16" rears
Lowered on Tein MonoFlex Coilovers
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Quote from: Carolyn on February 28, 2020, 18:51I've been following this thread and biting my tongue a little. I do think it's generally agreed, that for everyday road use, the standard suspension and wheel set-up is as good as it gets.
As I pointed out to Shnazzle while we were working on his lowered car (he has BC adjustable struts) that you can't see the outside of the car while you're driving it!!
All of these cars are getting a little long in the tooth, and a refresh of the stock suspension works wonders.
To me these silly little cars are about driving fun more than anything, and I don't really care about 'looks'.
My vote is refurbish what you've got and spend the savings on new shocks and a-arms. ;D
Yes well thanks for your odd comments..I don't really think of my car as being"silly" I quite like it that's why I kept it..I like the look of it and as it's only done 21000 miles from new and always always over serviced it's never used any oil/ coolant etc...used for summer runs only so I don't rate it as (long in the tooth)..and I don't intend lowering it as I can hardly get over the speed humps in our area now...yes I am probably just looking to asthetically improving the wheels only...but as I'm not Lewis Hamilton and never will be I'm fine with that thanks...if I want to get an adrenaline rush I go out on my Kawasaki z1000..but I appreciate you unclamping your tounge
Regards
Quote from: Petrus on February 28, 2020, 19:35Quote from: Carolyn on February 28, 2020, 18:51I've been following this thread and biting my tongue a
As I pointed out to Shnazzle while we were working on his lowered car (he has BC adjustable struts) that you can't see the outside of the car while you're driving it!!
Spot on.
Very much like the soúnd of the exhaust: Who cares how it sounds to onlookers? It´s how it sounds while driving that matters! and with road holding it´s that to the power of it.
Now the caveat is that if you never drive the car like you stole it, 17" will be fine and yes, they do look more modern ;-)
Thanks for your help
Quote from: Bernie on February 28, 2020, 16:04Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 15:48I like these https://www.wheelbasealloys.com/alloy-wheels/rota/grid/gun-metal-polished-lip/16-inch/toyota/mr2/mk3-roadster
But can't find them in staggered sizes ... opinions welcome on these obviously with staggered tyre width
Thanks
Or it's looking like a refurbishment of the originals.. expect that they have done well as would be first refurbishment
Might be worth trying Demon Tweeks they supplied my previous Rota's in staggered sizes
Thanks for your help
Stuart, apart from anything there is an objective criterium; the weight of the wheel.
Befóre you decide on anything, try to find out the weight of a 17" set with the possible wider tyres you would like.
Compare that with the OEM set and draw your own! conclusion, whether that is an issue for yoú. I spent a ´silly´ amount on líghter wheels ;-) but then I also cut down the OEM springs a bit and have a silly big wing mounted :-) oh and a tsurikawa :-O
If you decide on 17" or 16 and 17, and Rota would happen to have a style you like, then the brand is a value for money choice.
Thanks for your constructive reply . I actually had a set of lenso d1r 17 inch rims which were light weight but sold them because I couldn't make up my mind and didn't want to go to the expense of putting tyres on ..it's probably going to be the rota grid 16"all round with different tyre widths...or just the original ones refurbished..
Regards
Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 20:36Thanks for your constructive reply . I actually had a set of lenso d1r 17 inch rims which were light weight but sold them because I couldn't make up my mind and didn't want to go to the expense of putting tyres on ..it's probably going to be the rota grid 16"all round with different tyre widths...or just the original ones refurbished..
Regards
The OEM ones are véry good quality and quite light already. Not the worst of choices. Since you don´t drive it like Hamilton as you say, cutting only half a coil off is not going to upset the roadholding nor drop the car on the floor yet would fill the arches júst that bit better. It can even be done with the spings still mounted. A bit of a faff but way less to the disassembling the lot.
Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 19:43Quote from: Carolyn on February 28, 2020, 18:51I've been following this thread and biting my tongue a little. I do think it's generally agreed, that for everyday road use, the standard suspension and wheel set-up is as good as it gets.
As I pointed out to Shnazzle while we were working on his lowered car (he has BC adjustable struts) that you can't see the outside of the car while you're driving it!!
All of these cars are getting a little long in the tooth, and a refresh of the stock suspension works wonders.
To me these silly little cars are about driving fun more than anything, and I don't really care about 'looks'.
My vote is refurbish what you've got and spend the savings on new shocks and a-arms. ;D
Yes well thanks for your odd comments..I don't really think of my car as being"silly" I quite like it that's why I kept it..I like the look of it and as it's only done 21000 miles from new and always always over serviced it's never used any oil/ coolant etc...used for summer runs only so I don't rate it as (long in the tooth)..and I don't intend lowering it as I can hardly get over the speed humps in our area now...yes I am probably just looking to asthetically improving the wheels only...but as I'm not Lewis Hamilton and never will be I'm fine with that thanks...if I want to get an adrenaline rush I go out on my Kawasaki z1000..but I appreciate you unclamping your tounge
Regards
I'm midway the two.
They are silly little cars, but we love them. They're just a laugh. And they are old so finding one that isn't worn and long in the tooth in some way is very rare, so restoration is a very valid suggestion.
If aesthetics is key, then absolutely consider the 17s spec I posted. They're absolutely grand for pootling about but handle a feisty drive fine.
I went for good-looking wheels, in stock 15/16, with more offset to "fill the arches". Along with the lowering I think it looks perfect. But has its downsides.
You never know when a suggestion might take your fancy. We're just trying to cover all based based on years and years of goods and bads we've seen here.
Sorry I obviously didn't make it clear when I said front wheel doesn't fill the arch..I meant rim wise as in diameter not the actual width of the wheel...my bad
I don't have a handy pic, but I have the Rota Grid's (I think) as Bernie's car is pictured above. 15" front 16" rear as previously said.
I may have bought from Demon Tweeks too....& they have 20% via ebay until midnight....
Can a wheelarch be filled with a taller wheel? Higher profile tyre I can understand.
If the car is lowered at all & the wheels spaced out (the ones I have are thin) both of those will improve the visual effect.
The Rota front wheels don't come in the o/e width (6j I think), but 6.5. And they are heavier than o/e.
Evening Stuart and welcome if I've not already said it, you've probably already realised we're a very mixed bag on here but at the end of the day we all respect the "your car, your rules" idiom.
Some are all out traditionalists, some have won many prizes for the near concourse standard of presentation, one has even won a well deserved and equally well received award for pointless bling.
But at the end of the day we all generally want members to have the best version of THEIR car possible, even if we don't all agree with what that is.
I've personally had some amazing help from members who've outright told me I'm destroying my car but at the same time made sure I had all the help and advice possible to do it.
I can't argue with that.
I can't personally speak about 17s as I'm PFL standards but I respect the knowledge and opinions already given, I'd still probably try them out for myself though, just to be sure 😂
Buy some, try some, just don't skimp on the rubber, if you don't like them there's always a market for them later.
Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 17:09Quote from: SV-3 on February 28, 2020, 16:05Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 15:31Thanks for clarifying the situation..I wouldn't cut springs down to size not recommended at all .on the topic of different manufacturers wheels I have looked at that option however most manufacturers don't or won't supply staggered sizes as the originals...well not in my choices any way perhaps you would be kind enough to post a picture of your car ... thanks for your comments
Hi Stuart
Lowered c/w stock wheels...
That's really nice...iv found these with staggered tyre sizes..in 16" I'd appreciate your comments thanks
https://m.rimstyle.com/pages/basket/
Hi Stuart
I've only owned my Mk3 for about 6 months so my experience of non OEM wheel/tyre alternatives for our cars is zero.
Reading back through your very early posts shows that you were considering changing your wheels back then, but didn't, and have enjoyed many years of driving with the OEM fitments.
However, I have owned a Mk1 for twenty years, and my policy has always been to keep that car unmodified - and that is a policy I intend to follow with the Mk3 - hence "Stock Cubed". ;)
The Rota wheels look fine, but they don't carry a Toyota badge, and so for me that's a non starter. Indeed, even a wheel refurb, for me, would have to be to Toyota "specification".
Please don't misunderstand me - I really enjoy seeing and reading about all the differing paths the "Forumites" have followed with their cars and as someone remarked recently it would be pretty boring if we all ran Stock or Track cars with nothing in between.
Good luck with whatever you decide. :)
Thanks for your constructive feedback I'm torn between refurbishment of the originals or this set up as I think the 16 inch rim will fill out the arch diameter wise with the difference between the front and rear tyre widths maintaining a stagger similar to stock I haven't found a weight comparison site yet but still looking..the set up below doesn't alter the Speedo reading at all but it looses 4.5 mm arch gap on the rear and 14.5 mm arch gap on the front
Set of 4
16" Rota Grid Wheels + Nexen N'Fera SU1 Tyres
(Tyres are fitted & balanced)
Details | Upgrades
Product Details:
4x 16" Rota Grid Alloy Wheels
(Wheel Specs: 16 x 7.0" 4x100 ET40 All Round)
2x 195/45R16 Nexen N'Fera SU1 Tyres
(Tyre Specs: 195/45R16 84W XL FRONT)
2x 225/45R16 Nexen N'Fera SU1 Tyres
(Tyre Specs: 225/45R16 93W XL REAR)
Quote from: SV-3 on February 28, 2020, 22:01Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 17:09Quote from: SV-3 on February 28, 2020, 16:05Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 15:31Thanks for clarifying the situation..I wouldn't cut springs down to size not recommended at all .on the topic of different manufacturers wheels I have looked at that option however most manufacturers don't or won't supply staggered sizes as the originals...well not in my choices any way perhaps you would be kind enough to post a picture of your car ... thanks for your comments
Hi Stuart
Lowered c/w stock wheels...
That's really nice...iv found these with staggered tyre sizes..in 16" I'd appreciate your comments thanks
https://m.rimstyle.com/pages/basket/
Hi Stuart
I've only owned my Mk3 for about 6 months so my experience of non OEM wheel/tyre alternatives for our cars is zero.
Reading back through your very early posts shows that you were considering changing your wheels back then, but didn't, and have enjoyed many years of driving with the OEM fitments.
However, I have owned a Mk1 for twenty years, and my policy has always been to keep that car unmodified - and that is a policy I intend to follow with the Mk3 - hence "Stock Cubed". ;)
The Rota wheels look fine, but they don't carry a Toyota badge, and so for me that's a non starter. Indeed, even a wheel refurb, for me, would have to be to Toyota "specification".
Please don't misunderstand me - I really enjoy seeing and reading about all the differing paths the "Forumites" have followed with their cars and as someone remarked recently it would be pretty boring if we all ran Stock or Track cars with nothing in between.
Good luck with whatever you decide. :)
I understand your point of view I'd always keep the stock wheels and if I do get them refurbished it would be stock colour...I'm nearly finished restoration of my Kawasaki 900z1 Iv owned since 1978 and believe me I TOTALLY understand the obsession with originalaty lol
Regards
If you are considering 16" all round my current TTE spec is
Back 225x40x16
Front 205x45x16
6F5EE799-9CDE-49B3-A243-F1C5464F4EF7.jpeg
Thanks Bernie ..that's useful a black car like mine with 16 inch wheels on..and it fills the arch at the front just as I was looking for.. thanks again for your reply
Quote from: Bernie on February 28, 2020, 22:18If you are considering 16" all round my current TTE spec is
Back 225x40x16
Front 205x45x16
6F5EE799-9CDE-49B3-A243-F1C5464F4EF7.jpeg
I know where that pic was taken Bernie. No, not difficult is it? Stop chit chatting Jane, will you ever learn. I'll get my coat, need it on a night like this.
@stuart I will not dis-agree with anything posted earlier.
As a newbie with 35 posts as of 28/2 @23:04, you may not have quiet aligned with the club- forum ethos and banter.
We LOVE these cars and want nothing more than new owners to enjoy them as much as they can, as soon as they can.
"silly little car" is a mere colloquial term used by a very highly regarded and knowledgeable enthusiast.
It is in now way, a put down, to you or your 2. It is a term of endearment.
This is not some vile cess pit of a forum, that you might find elsewhere.
We want the best for you and your 2. That you are best informed to make the decision that you make.
If your desire/need/requirement is to fill the arches with 17s, Go for it.
I freely acknowledge as those above, the 2 on 17s "looks" the dogs bollox and some swear by them.
I am on stock FL setup but looking to go for a PFL set up of 15 all round.
I had a 2 on 17s. Looked great. But for me it never felt right.
My usual analogy is, a2 on 17s is like a 5 year old trying to walk in their Mams/dads heels.
If looks alone are your priority. Go get em!
Each to their own. that is the beauty of the 2. Exclusivity.
Look up Ding Day in the events section, this is our national day. As many 2s in one place as you are ever likely to see.
And yet, no 2 2s are the same.
You are member of a quiet exclusive club. I saw 3 expensive porsche cars in the space of a red light. Zero exclusivity.
Exclusive prices are exclusive of exclusivity.
I hope this post as others above have intended, has come across as supportive.
We all want the best for you and your 2, however that may manifest itself.
Quote from: stuart on February 28, 2020, 22:50Thanks Bernie ..that's useful a black car like mine with 16 inch wheels on..and it fills the arch at the front just as I was looking for.. thanks again for your reply
It's also lowered 30mm.
Hi Stuart,
Just joining in.
You have caused a spirited debate which is surely one of the good things about the forum. Anyway have a look at my pics in Reader Rides "The Green Goddess". I went from 17" SP alloys to the very wheels that Bernie sold, via Ardent and then had them completely refurbed with a colour change.
Not every one is complimentary but as Jase says "I like them" on my "silly little car" which incidentally gives me loads of pleasure, a rare thing in current motoring conditions, road users etc.
As taste goes, I think the OEM wheels suit the car very well even though they are a bit vanilla for my taste.
I would have lóved a bright red set of Volk CE28 but those are made from unobtanium so went for my second choice, the silver Enkei RPF1. Imo they transorm the car; they look way more serious.
This observed, I would have stuck with the OEM wheels if it was not for my weight reduction obsession O:-) ... and yes they dó make a notable difference ÍF you flog it.
(https://myalbum.com/photo/aetVfGJJNSiC/1k0.jpg)
Iv had the originals refurbished.. looking good