Hi all,
My new to me facelift has Bridgestone re040s with good tread on the rear but two unmatched linglongs on the front
Now unfortunately Bridgestone aren't making the re040s anymore which is a shame, i can't even find another Potenza in the right size.
So, my options as I see them are:
1. Install x2 Bridgstone Turanza on the front (closest match to rear Potenzas)
2. Install matching set of 4 TR1s / Uniroyal Rainsport 5s / AD08RS etc
Additionally some people talk of upsizing so getting 195/50/15 at the front instead of 185/45/15 as tyres are cheaper and there's more choice - would this be recommended?
Thanks
Hi and Welcome. I should think the Bridgestones are quite old now so the rubber may have gone off. You can find a date on the outside walls of the tyres. I'd change all 4. Many posts here about tyres but the ones you've mentioned would be perfectly acceptable.
Going from 185 to 195 does indeed open it up to more tyre choices. I've been running 195 front and 225 rear for years now. It does slightly change the turn-in feel but I wouldn't say negatively. Different.
Key is what Jane said above; if you still have RE040s on, they'll need replacing by now.
Next is considering your drive. If you do a lot of miles, consider a tyre with high efficiency and low wear. If you do a lot of pothole miles, pick one with a bit of flex in the side wall.
Lots of standing water (M1 driving) Rainsports are epic.
Budget but great all-rounder you're looking at Nankang NS-20.
Like to push on, great road feel and don't mind a bit harsher ride and buying 2 new tyres every year; my favourite... AD08Rs
If yours is purely a road car I'd go with road tyres. AD08RS would be OK in the current summer months but once it gets cold and wet you may get caught out. I've got Rainsport 5's as wets on OE wheels and they are a great all-rounder. Only gripe is the lack of feedback but this is due to a soft sidewall, but the upside to this is they are very comfortable. Wet grip is unbelievable, dry grip is very good too for a road tyre.
I recently got caught out at a track day were it forecast rain so turned up on the RS5's but the track was near enough dry, bit greasy mind. Thought I'd burn them up given their soft compound but they were great and unbelievably only just over 3s a lap slower than my track wheels with Nankang AR1's which are very good semi-slicks.
See the session on them below, I got a bit over enthusiastic in the first few lap hence the spin, but once I'd found the limit of grip they held up very well to my surprise! Very predictable when they let go too which is what you want on the road.
On FL OE wheels with 195/50/15 front and 205/45/16 rear. Only cost me £160 delivered for all 4.
Quote from: shnazzle on July 13, 2020, 22:06Like to push on, great road feel and don't mind a bit harsher ride and buying 2 new tyres every year; my favourite... AD08Rs
:o
I am clearly not trying hard enough.
I am on at least my 3rd season. Is a weekender though.
@J4ck100 As above. Change all four.
On the stock sizes. I was very happy with falkens.
Just checked the RE040s and they were manufactured in 2013 so probably due a swap out. I'll look at AD08RS if my bank balance allows.
Are those ZE913 ecorun falkens you've got Jason?
I'm running Nankang NS20 front and rear. 215 45 R16 and 195 50 R15. Great value for money.
Very grippy in all conditions, though I do go through rears at an alarming rate. Could have something to do with most of my driving being 'enthusiastic' on twisty B roads.
OK narrowed it down - going to go with AD08RS as I won't mind the high wear rate.
Only question now is whether to go with 185 55 15 on the front (stock) or 195 50 15 (bit cheaper)
Would the handling be affected much? I guess the front end would be slightly grippier?
thanks
Quote from: JB21 on July 14, 2020, 08:19If yours is purely a road car I'd go with road tyres. AD08RS would be OK in the current summer months but once it gets cold and wet you may get caught out. I've got Rainsport 5's as wets on OE wheels and they are a great all-rounder. Only gripe is the lack of feedback but this is due to a soft sidewall, but the upside to this is they are very comfortable. Wet grip is unbelievable, dry grip is very good too for a road tyre.
I recently got caught out at a track day were it forecast rain so turned up on the RS5's but the track was near enough dry, bit greasy mind. Thought I'd burn them up given their soft compound but they were great and unbelievably only just over 3s a lap slower than my track wheels with Nankang AR1's which are very good semi-slicks.
See the session on them below, I got a bit over enthusiastic in the first few lap hence the spin, but once I'd found the limit of grip they held up very well to my surprise! Very predictable when they let go too which is what you want on the road.
On FL OE wheels with 195/50/15 front and 205/45/16 rear. Only cost me £160 delivered for all 4.
Im tempted to replace my well worn Federal RSR with the RS5's after next sprint so interesting reading this and watching your video, looks like you were having the exact same problems i did at 3sisters when i had the whiteline bars front and rear and the place where you spun my car was trying to do the same every lap!, next visit with stock rear arb i was able to get power down much better on that section and everywhere else!, not sure if the RS5 will make a good sprint tyre but should be ok with soft compound once tread is worn down abit, tempted to get them shaved before fitting as they are so cheap!....hmmm
Real shame the outgoing Federal RSR is no longer available at cheap money it used to be, they are great tyres for what they cost on road and track.
Quote from: shnazzle on July 13, 2020, 22:06Going from 185 to 195 does indeed open it up to more tyre choices. I've been running 195 front and 225 rear for years now. It does slightly change the turn-in feel but I wouldn't say negatively. Different.
Those are the sizes I use on my FL, I went for the TR1 and are pleased with them, no dramas and warm up quick enough for spirited road use
Rob
Quote from: thetyrant on July 14, 2020, 12:42Quote from: JB21 on July 14, 2020, 08:19If yours is purely a road car I'd go with road tyres. AD08RS would be OK in the current summer months but once it gets cold and wet you may get caught out. I've got Rainsport 5's as wets on OE wheels and they are a great all-rounder. Only gripe is the lack of feedback but this is due to a soft sidewall, but the upside to this is they are very comfortable. Wet grip is unbelievable, dry grip is very good too for a road tyre.
I recently got caught out at a track day were it forecast rain so turned up on the RS5's but the track was near enough dry, bit greasy mind. Thought I'd burn them up given their soft compound but they were great and unbelievably only just over 3s a lap slower than my track wheels with Nankang AR1's which are very good semi-slicks.
See the session on them below, I got a bit over enthusiastic in the first few lap hence the spin, but once I'd found the limit of grip they held up very well to my surprise! Very predictable when they let go too which is what you want on the road.
On FL OE wheels with 195/50/15 front and 205/45/16 rear. Only cost me £160 delivered for all 4.
Im tempted to replace my well worn Federal RSR with the RS5's after next sprint so interesting reading this and watching your video, looks like you were having the exact same problems i did at 3sisters when i had the whiteline bars front and rear and the place where you spun my car was trying to do the same every lap!, next visit with stock rear arb i was able to get power down much better on that section and everywhere else!, not sure if the RS5 will make a good sprint tyre but should be ok with soft compound once tread is worn down abit, tempted to get them shaved before fitting as they are so cheap!....hmmm
Real shame the outgoing Federal RSR is no longer available at cheap money it used to be, they are great tyres for what they cost on road and track.
I'd recently stiffened both my ARB's too. Track was very greasy all morning though and once I changed to the AR1's the car felt much more planted.
My mate in the ep3 was on newly scrubbed in AD08RS's and he despised them from the first lap. I had more grip on the RS5's no doubt. His day ended badly too, when the tyres just didn't grip as they had done the previous session and he hit the tyre wall. He had replaced AD08R's with them so a good back to back comparison. His verdict...SHITE!!!
Quote from: JB21 on July 14, 2020, 13:52I'd recently stiffened both my ARB's too. Track was very greasy all morning though and once I changed to the AR1's the car felt much more planted.
My mate in the ep3 was on newly scrubbed in AD08RS's and he despised them from the first lap. I had more grip on the RS5's no doubt. His day ended badly too, when the tyres just didn't grip as they had done the previous session and he hit the tyre wall. He had replaced AD08R's with them so a good back to back comparison. His verdict...SHITE!!!
Yes makes sense they rotate just a bit too well with stiff rear bar unless tyres and track sticky! at Blyton where i also had the problem i just disconnected rear ARB part way through the day which helped loads! easy fix if you get a wet day etc.
That is interesting on the AD08RS as well, they are one i was pondering as love the original AD08 (pre ADO8R) many years ago, but like many tyres revisons it seems they often make them worse! :(
Im also tempted with the R888R and dropping to 15" front and rear to keep price down and so i can rotate them, however for trackdays i dont mind car moving around and have most fun on normal road tyres in low powered cars generally, its just the sprints were i need the sticky rubber to try and get some decent times so might be time for 2 sets of wheels!
Quote from: J4ck100 on July 14, 2020, 11:39OK narrowed it down - going to go with AD08RS as I won't mind the high wear rate.
Only question now is whether to go with 185 55 15 on the front (stock) or 195 50 15 (bit cheaper)
Would the handling be affected much? I guess the front end would be slightly grippier?
thanks
Standard quote from me. Stick with stock.
Plenty enough grip.
Top off with a high quality geo setup.
Worth travelling to get it done right. Not just its in spec.
Makes a world of difference.
Quote from: Carolyn on July 14, 2020, 11:04I'm running Nankang NS20 front and rear. 215 45 R16 and 195 50 R15. Great value for money.
Very grippy in all conditions, though I do go through rears at an alarming rate. Could have something to do with most of my driving being 'enthusiastic' on twisty B roads.
At the risk of going off topic...I run these on the rear and find the same re. wear. Seems usage is similar so at least there's consistency!
Quote from: J4ck100 on July 14, 2020, 10:58Just checked the RE040s and they were manufactured in 2013 so probably due a swap out. I'll look at AD08RS if my bank balance allows.
Are those ZE913 ecorun falkens you've got Jason?
Zeix? Fairly sure 913. Was a while ago.
I'm on the ad08r now.
Which are due a refresh.
Quote from: Ardent on July 14, 2020, 16:37Quote from: J4ck100 on July 14, 2020, 10:58Just checked the RE040s and they were manufactured in 2013 so probably due a swap out. I'll look at AD08RS if my bank balance allows.
Are those ZE913 ecorun falkens you've got Jason?
Zeix? Fairly sure 913. Was a while ago.
I'm on the ad08r now.
Which are due a refresh.
And how have you found the AD08Rs - worth the extra cash? Sticking with them next time around?
Thanks
Stunning.
Yes and yes.
I have used them all year round. Never gave me any moments in the wet or cold.
I found them no worse than "normal" tyres in wet or cold.
But when things are dry and warm. They offer far superior levels of grip.
Think limpet in a glue factory.
Not once have I thought, I could do with wider.
Great, ordering with camskill now. Excited!
I thought AD08R's had been discontinued?
Mildly reformulated.
Now AD08Rs
https://www.yokohama.co.uk/Tyres/Car-Tyres/Summer-Tyres/(product)/AD08RS
The new AD08R-S is meant to be quite a step back in performance over the older ADO8R but depends what you want from a tyre i guess and what you compare it to, will still be a good tyre im sure compared to linglongs etc :D
I ran the first gen AD08 (non R or R-S) many years ago and loved them in dry and ok in wet when quite new, once half worn and well heat cycled on track they were terrifying in the wet! but this was on a near 400hp car so needed a good tyre.
Quote from: Ardent on July 15, 2020, 12:25Mildly reformulated.
Now AD08Rs
https://www.yokohama.co.uk/Tyres/Car-Tyres/Summer-Tyres/(product)/AD08RS
Mixed reviews below, and even one from a Roadster owner. As mentioned my mate changed to the RS from the R and said the difference was night and day, the RS being far inferior. He used them once and sold them on, replacing them with Accelera 651 sport.
Ad08RS reviews
https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Yokohama/ADVAN-Neova-AD08RS.htm
AD08R reviews
https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Yokohama/ADVAN-Neova-AD08R.htm
A couple of in house observations from here.
https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=68596.0 (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=68596.0)
Having now had them for a while...yeah I do think the RS.isnt what the R and AD08 used to be in the dry.
Feeling like hijacking, but has anyone tried the Yokohama Advan Fleva V701?
I was looking for tyres and since AD08 are excluded (at least in my head, as a compromise between proper semis and a normal tyre), upon searching I came across them and they look interesting.
I had before yoko s.drive which is their ancestor (on a different car though) and really liked them.
Quote from: potge on July 16, 2020, 20:33Feeling like hijacking, but has anyone tried the Yokohama Advan Fleva V701?
They don't fare well in the tests listed here. https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Yokohama/Advan-Fleva-V701.htm
Try looking up tests of the Hankook Ventus Prime K125
Thanks. At least I am on the right path :) .
Ventus prime 3 K125 and Rainsport5 are my other alternatives. I had rainsport3 and though feedback is so and so, can`t ignore wet performance on a daily. I just hope RS5 are improved on that. And Prime 3 and Fleva look interesting as an all around decent daily that can cope with some spirited driving.
However, on reviews they seem quite similar to me. Though I should only be considering reviews from similar-ish cars and sizes as weight changes things dramatically.
Anyway thanks for the input.
@Petrus didn't you get the Yokohama Fleva?
No; AD08R
Quote from: potge on July 16, 2020, 21:05Thanks. At least I am on the right path :) .
Ventus prime 3 K125 and Rainsport5 are my other alternatives.
Anyway thanks for the input.
From what I've seen the Flevia aren't made in O/E sizes.
I have the Hankook. I know two others who also like them on 2's. I was going to fit Falken (913 I think) because I had had them & was impressed. My first 2 had a fault, something stopping the rear suspension working properly & it was scary in the wet & nearly killed me. So you can understand that a drive through standing water for about 80 miles in my next 2 shod with new Falken that were only a few days old, was tense. The Falken never flinched. But with the current car, when I needed tyres the Falken weren't available in the 16".
The Hankook get better reviews in tyre tests, & from what I've seen, are cheaper. When I bought them around 15 months ago, it was a no-brainer. Doesn't look different now.
As a by-the-by, I'm reading from individuals reports (no tyre tests yet) of the new-ish Toyo (TR1 I think) the ride comfort is not good. Vibration, steering wobble sort of complaints.
Quote from: Gaz mr-s on July 17, 2020, 14:37Quote from: potge on July 16, 2020, 21:05Thanks. At least I am on the right path :) .
Ventus prime 3 K125 and Rainsport5 are my other alternatives.
Anyway thanks for the input.
From what I've seen the Flevia aren't made in O/E sizes.
Thanks again gents.
For what is worth it, I am not going for the OE sizes. 195/50 in front. Still battling between 205/45-50/16 in the back.
Just been out for an evening drive down some twisties
Great fun and the yokos are gripping very well
Couldn't help but feel the ride felt very firm (might not be tyre related as still new to the 2)
Over uneven road surface there was real chassis shake and the car got a bit upset on a poorly surfaced roundabout hopping and skipping a fair bit
Running 32psi rear and 28 psi front
Idiot tyre centre put 42 psi in one of the rear tyres & 32 in the other - downright dangerous !
:'(
Tyre fitters eh!
Stilll a Couple of psi heavy in the front.
Quote from: J4ck100 on July 19, 2020, 21:36Just been out for an evening drive down some twisties
Great fun and the yokos are gripping very well
Couldn't help but feel the ride felt very firm (might not be tyre related as still new to the 2)
Over uneven road surface there was real chassis shake and the car got a bit upset on a poorly surfaced roundabout hopping and skipping a fair bit
Running 32psi rear and 28 psi front
Idiot tyre centre put 42 psi in one of the rear tyres & 32 in the other - downright dangerous !
Its because of the stiffer sidewalls. This is the reason I can't stand to drive my 2 on the road with track tyres. Makes every journey a tiresome one as UK roads are shocking. Its a totally different car driving on my road wheels with Rainsport 5s.
Quote from: JB21 on July 20, 2020, 09:00Quote from: J4ck100 on July 19, 2020, 21:36Just been out for an evening drive down some twisties
Great fun and the yokos are gripping very well
Couldn't help but feel the ride felt very firm (might not be tyre related as still new to the 2)
Over uneven road surface there was real chassis shake and the car got a bit upset on a poorly surfaced roundabout hopping and skipping a fair bit
Running 32psi rear and 28 psi front
Idiot tyre centre put 42 psi in one of the rear tyres & 32 in the other - downright dangerous !
Its because of the stiffer sidewalls. This is the reason I can't stand to drive my 2 on the road with track tyres. Makes every journey a tiresome one as UK roads are shocking. Its a totally different car driving on my road wheels with Rainsport 5s.
Hmm, maybe I should have thought about that before shelling out! Oops
Quote from: J4ck100 on July 20, 2020, 10:27Quote from: JB21 on July 20, 2020, 09:00Quote from: J4ck100 on July 19, 2020, 21:36Just been out for an evening drive down some twisties
Great fun and the yokos are gripping very well
Couldn't help but feel the ride felt very firm (might not be tyre related as still new to the 2)
Over uneven road surface there was real chassis shake and the car got a bit upset on a poorly surfaced roundabout hopping and skipping a fair bit
Running 32psi rear and 28 psi front
Idiot tyre centre put 42 psi in one of the rear tyres & 32 in the other - downright dangerous !
Its because of the stiffer sidewalls. This is the reason I can't stand to drive my 2 on the road with track tyres. Makes every journey a tiresome one as UK roads are shocking. Its a totally different car driving on my road wheels with Rainsport 5s.
Hmm, maybe I should have thought about that before shelling out! Oops
Try reducing PSI's. Maybe 24 front and 28 rear and see how it feels. Just keep an eye out for uneven tyre wear if it feels better.
Yeah i might try that - 32psi at the rear sounds high for such a light car in any case?
my 2.2 tonne LS400 take 32!
Correct pressures for a standard 2 is 26 fronts and 32 rears and mine drives great. ;)