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The Workshop => General => Topic started by: Mr2paul on October 10, 2020, 02:55

Title: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Mr2paul on October 10, 2020, 02:55
Hello. My new car will be going on stands for a good check over and treating areas of rust in general. As Ardent pointed out to check rear X member and in my experience of old coupes it's always been X member , sills, rear aches which are the killers. Does the roadster have any Achilles heals to look for to add to that list ? Thanks
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 10, 2020, 04:05
Power steering pipes
Steering universal joint
Radiator

Are all worth checking in top of everything else you've mentioned.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Mr2paul on October 10, 2020, 05:52
Thanks very much for that. I quess the front plastics need to come out for that. I wouldn't of thought of that, I think if I left it off, I could carry more cans of beans or even a jar of coffee ? 😄
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 10, 2020, 07:38
Plenty of room mate you just have to flip the spare wheel and move the alarm sounder
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Ardent on October 10, 2020, 09:38
If the front plastics still have clips. Don't be surprised to find you might need to replace. Mine never came with any. And never seen the need to replace.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Mr2paul on October 10, 2020, 09:45
Cheers 👍 I'm not complaining 😄
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Bossworld on October 10, 2020, 09:47
Bottom of the quarter panels also seems susceptible. They are bolt on though at least.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Mr2paul on October 10, 2020, 09:57
I take it that rust from the inside out ? I'm not at all suprised. Is there access from inside?  I would look but it's raining again.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: jvanzyl on October 10, 2020, 10:23
Check the front wings, they will have debris and rust in them.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Joesson on October 10, 2020, 11:13
Quote from: Mr2paul on October 10, 2020, 09:57I take it that rust from the inside out ? I'm not at all suprised. Is there access from inside?  I would look but it's raining again.

The wheel arch liners need to be removed, a series of plastic clips hold them in place, once removed all will be revealed in the lowest areas.
As with the frunk clips you may loose one or two to breakage, you will find replacements here:
https://www.vehicleclips.co.uk/search-by-model/toyota

https://www.vehicleclips.co.uk/
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Bossworld on October 10, 2020, 13:13
Quote from: Mr2paul on October 10, 2020, 09:57I take it that rust from the inside out ? I'm not at all suprised. Is there access from inside?  I would look but it's raining again.

Yes, and to Jvanzyl and Joesson's point, it's the crap that gets behind that tends to do for them.  Even the replacements I had fitted had some minor corrosion starting on the inside (though rustproofed/treated them before fitting).
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Mr2paul on October 10, 2020, 14:44
Thanks, another job to look at when it goes onto stands.👍
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Joesson on October 10, 2020, 19:41
Quote from: Mr2paul on October 10, 2020, 14:44Thanks, another job to look at when it goes onto stands.👍


Not mentioned very frequently but I can't think why my car should be in very different condition to others, some years ago I found that the ABS unit support bracket was very corroded on the underside.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 18:33
My subframe is very rotten and my nsr control arm is also rotten so worth checking that :)
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 12, 2020, 20:05
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 18:33My subframe is very rotten and my nsr control arm is also rotten so worth checking that :)

Are you going to weld or bin?
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 20:09
I have a brand new subframe from tcb which I am waiting to fit :) had a go on Saturday but everything was seized and my blowtorch would not touch it, bought a map gas torch on Sunday and it all started coming undone. I am refurbing all the arms and polybushing as I go. Once I know its all free I will drop the subframe and fit my nice new one :)
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 20:10
My old one will be going in the scrap bin at work! It is horrifying how rotten it is :(
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 12, 2020, 20:27
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 20:10My old one will be going in the scrap bin at work! It is horrifying how rotten it is :(

Did it fold in on its self when removed from car?
If not I still hold the record for worst sub frame ever seen.
My yellow V6 thread has pics or a video.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 20:33
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 12, 2020, 20:27
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 20:10My old one will be going in the scrap bin at work! It is horrifying how rotten it is :(

Did it fold in on its self when removed from car?
If not I still hold the record for worst sub frame ever seen.
My yellow V6 thread has pics or a video.

Wow!!! I need to check that out 😆

Terrifying and funny in equal measures!

My nsr control arm is nearly rotten through on the section that the bolt goes through so i was dicing with death ragging it on Salisbury plains roads last weekend
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 12, 2020, 20:45
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 20:33
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 12, 2020, 20:27
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 20:10My old one will be going in the scrap bin at work! It is horrifying how rotten it is :(

Did it fold in on its self when removed from car?
If not I still hold the record for worst sub frame ever seen.
My yellow V6 thread has pics or a video.

Wow!!! I need to check that out 😆

Terrifying and funny in equal measures!

My nsr control arm is nearly rotten through on the section that the bolt goes through so i was dicing with death ragging it on Salisbury plains roads last weekend

I drove it from the Coventry area to Hastings with a stop at home to take the Mrs for a drive.
Lucky for somebody nothing bad happened. #justsayin
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 21:14
I drove the mr2 back from Tavistock to Melksham wiltshire and been on spirited drives with wife and son with it like that , these cars can hide rust.


I have a patch I need to weld in on the floor aswell but my subframe and control arm are priority first
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 12, 2020, 21:17
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 21:14I drove the mr2 back from Tavistock to Melksham wiltshire and been on spirited drives with wife and son with it like that , these cars can hide rust.


I have a patch I need to weld in on the floor aswell but my subframe and control arm are priority first

Dont mind being sold a project car thats fine just don't sell me a car with a recent mot that after investigation is clearly bent.
Some people 🙄
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 21:21
Yes the mot tester was clearly visibly impaired or bribed.


I get a good price on it though and has black hardtop and ac :)
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Gaz mr-s on October 12, 2020, 22:50
Quote from: Joesson on October 10, 2020, 19:41Not mentioned very frequently but I can't think why my car should be in very different condition to others, some years ago I found that the ABS unit support bracket was very corroded on the underside.

+1.
I saw a post by someone doing some restorative work who had obviously worked on a 2 before & said to the effect of "of course the abs cradle is falling to bits." It's not easy to see it until you move the steering pump/reservoir, mine was disintegrating. I cut off two of the decent legs & fashioned a support from them. It won't win any awardsm but I think it'll do.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 10:59
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 21:21Yes the mot tester was clearly visibly impaired or bribed.


I get a good price on it though and has black hardtop and ac :)
Sell the top. Pays  for a sub frame.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 11:15
Quote from: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 10:59
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 21:21Yes the mot tester was clearly visibly impaired or bribed.


I get a good price on it though and has black hardtop and ac :)
Sell the top. Pays  for a sub frame.

I really like it with the hardtop :)

I know its worth a bit to someone but the car feels complete with it fitted.

Cheers :)
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 12:21
Complete.
I call it over dressed. ;)

Welcome to the banter.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 15:02
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 11:15
Quote from: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 10:59
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 21:21Yes the mot tester was clearly visibly impaired or bribed.


I get a good price on it though and has black hardtop and ac :)
Sell the top. Pays  for a sub frame.

I really like it with the hardtop :)

I know its worth a bit to someone but the car feels complete with it fitted.

Cheers :)

I think you need a GT86 mate.
Its a roadster.
Roadster = soft top.
Simples.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 15:07
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 15:02
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 11:15
Quote from: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 10:59
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 21:21Yes the mot tester was clearly visibly impaired or bribed.


I get a good price on it though and has black hardtop and ac :)
Sell the top. Pays  for a sub frame.

I really like it with the hardtop :)

I know its worth a bit to someone but the car feels complete with it fitted.

Cheers :)

I think you need a GT86 mate.
Its a roadster.
Roadster = soft top.
Simples.

I like to pretend it is my little gt car.

I want to build something in the spirit of the autobacs mr2 one day
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 15:18
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 15:07
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 15:02
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 11:15
Quote from: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 10:59
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 12, 2020, 21:21Yes the mot tester was clearly visibly impaired or bribed.


I get a good price on it though and has black hardtop and ac :)
Sell the top. Pays  for a sub frame.

I really like it with the hardtop :)

I know its worth a bit to someone but the car feels complete with it fitted.

Cheers :)

I think you need a GT86 mate.
Its a roadster.
Roadster = soft top.
Simples.

I like to pretend it is my little gt car.

I want to build something in the spirit of the autobacs mr2 one day

Had to Google it.
Had me interested until I read 3s gte.
Weighs a ton especially with the E153 box. My 3L V6 1mz is lighter.

Lee h had a 3s gte in the middle of his 2. Made around 280bhp with a standalone. I belive he enjoyed drag racing. Sold it in the end and went back to  Honda. Nice guy and knowledgeable was a shame to see him go.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 15:27
Its more the aesthetic I like than anything else ;)
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: househead on October 13, 2020, 17:49
Don't listen to @1979scotte re: hardtop :)

There's nothing wrong with swapping a coupe for a roadster and vice versa twice a year.

If you run with the hardtop all year round though, then I'm disappointed too :D
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 18:34
Quote from: househead on October 13, 2020, 17:49Don't listen to @1979scotte re: hardtop :)

There's nothing wrong with swapping a coupe for a roadster and vice versa twice a year.

If you run with the hardtop all year round though, then I'm disappointed too :D

When I am out for a drive with the wife then the top is off :) when I am out for a spirited drive I like the top on ;)
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 18:46
Think how spirted it would be without the 20kg ballast.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 19:01
Quote from: househead on October 13, 2020, 17:49Don't listen to @1979scotte re: hardtop :)

There's nothing wrong with swapping a coupe for a roadster and vice versa twice a year.

If you run with the hardtop all year round though, then I'm disappointed too :D

What do you know your Northern.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 19:05
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 15:27Its more the aesthetic I like than anything else ;)

Aesthetics!!!
Aesthetics he says.
No wonder you like hardtops.
Philistine!
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 20:00
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 19:05
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 15:27Its more the aesthetic I like than anything else ;)

Aesthetics!!!
Aesthetics he says.
No wonder you like hardtops.
Philistine!

Lol 😆

Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 20:02
It hurts my eyes seeing it with the top down and I get a desire to start a career working with hair lol 😆
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 20:31
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 20:02It hurts my eyes seeing it with the top down and I get a desire to start a career working with hair lol 😆

Go buy a eunos roadster then.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 20:33
@Rallyeluke

This is an all inclusive forum. Hairdresser's and all. ;)

Loving how you have gone from newbie to full on  banter sparring.

You will also have noticed, the thread has mildly drifted off topic.
Rust areas to hair dressers. 20 mins on the naughty step for us all.

One member @StuC ? Even had a vinyl on the rear facing pop up draft excluder. (Technical term) no hair dressing equipment left over night.
Still makes me smile.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 20:51
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 20:31
Quote from: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 20:02It hurts my eyes seeing it with the top down and I get a desire to start a career working with hair lol 😆

Go buy a eunos roadster then.

It would need a hardtop though 😁

And apologies to OP as the thread has gone off topic in a fantastic fashion
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Rallyeluke on October 13, 2020, 20:53
Quote from: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 20:33@Rallyeluke

This is an all inclusive forum. Hairdresser's and all. ;)

Loving how you have gone from newbie to full on  banter sparring.

You will also have noticed, the thread has mildly drifted off topic.
Rust areas to hair dressers. 20 mins on the naughty step for us all.

One member @StuC ? Even had a vinyl on the rear facing pop up draft excluder. (Technical term) no hair dressing equipment left over night.
Still makes me smile.

I would like one made up for mine :)
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: 1979scotte on October 13, 2020, 20:58
@StuC
#mischiefmaker
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 21:11
I think @The Other Stu is a dab hand at the vinyl as well.

I spy a pattern there.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: househead on October 13, 2020, 23:58
Quote from: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 20:33@Rallyeluke
Loving how you have gone from newbie to full on  banter sparring.

You will also have noticed, the thread has mildly drifted off topic.
Rust areas to hair dressers. 20 mins on the naughty step for us all.

A good way to get the post count up and open up the other goodies like private sales etc, and we are helping. I feel no shame whatsoever :D
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: StuC on October 14, 2020, 00:16
Quote from: Ardent on October 13, 2020, 20:33@Rallyeluke

This is an all inclusive forum. Hairdresser's and all. ;)

Loving how you have gone from newbie to full on  banter sparring.

You will also have noticed, the thread has mildly drifted off topic.
Rust areas to hair dressers. 20 mins on the naughty step for us all.

One member @StuC ? Even had a vinyl on the rear facing pop up draft excluder. (Technical term) no hair dressing equipment left over night.
Still makes me smile.

I am sure we have a piccy around here somewhere. 🤔🤔😂

Glad my mischief captured your imagination Jase. 👍👍
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Mr2paul on October 14, 2020, 00:27
What was the subject again ? Can you edit and put a first post in to say
("Ignore everything but the first 10 posts, as after that it's complete
B,,,,,is lol😂😂😂. Lovin the banter tho. keep it up 👍
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: StuC on October 14, 2020, 00:34
Found an early copy of it. As photobucket has done a number on me and removed all my images. 🤦🏻‍♂️

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Enjoy.

On topic again now.
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Mr2paul on October 14, 2020, 12:49
I'll agree with jokes son, ps mounting bracket crumbles to dust
Title: Re: Rust area advise for a roadster newbie.
Post by: Not That Matt on October 18, 2020, 12:49
Another area that doesn't get mentioned is the area around the base of the rear strut towers. It looks like water gets trapped behind the seam seal and rots the join. The blue car is my old one which is on it's way be being made into bean cans (not just because of this!), an 02 PFL. The yellow one was an 04 FL that was for sale at a dealer that looked good in the photos but was a right shed when it came to look at it. Both on the driver's side with the passenger side not affected in the same way.

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Oh and just to reinforce the stereotype my new 05 was last owned by a mobile hairdresser  :))