Here goes, just for fun so feel free to add. What do you miss which the mr2 does not provide ? I'll start with
Rear wiper, I can't see out the back
Electric heated screen, I sit n wait for it to clear
Over to you now
Torque.
First I tried a turbo but that wasn't enough.
Then I tried a V6 but it wasn't quite right.
So I added a supercharger.
Simples.
My 2 isn't a daily so most features I can live without they do just add weight after all.
Have considered heated seats and mirrors in the past but never get around too it.
A must have for me is Bluetooth which is easly sorted.
Cruise control.
My mr2 gets used for everything and there are a good few situations where cruise control would be bliss.
Hell, I would have avoided 3 points on my license if I had it.
I got got in a 50 zone. I was yapping with my passenger about games, got too in to it and my speedo crept up to 58.
Not often said but the responsiveness of the engine often means that a tiiiny input translates to me just crossing the speed limit.
Be great on long journeys as well.
Helen says parking sensors. She can't see out the back,so it's guesswork entirely. I can just see enough to do it.
There is a long list of "new" things like sat nav and phone connectivity, but think back to what was generally available in the early 2000s. When my car first rolled off a forecourt in 2000 I was driving an Alfa 156. I can't remember the Alfa being better spec'd than the MR2 is. Might have been a bit quicker with the twin spark engine.
My only missing, which maintenance can fix, is a working handbrake!
Quote from: shnazzle on December 16, 2020, 07:55Cruise control.
My mr2 gets used for everything and there are a good few situations where cruise control would be bliss.
Hell, I would have avoided 3 points on my license if I had it.
I got got in a 50 zone. I was yapping with my passenger about games, got too in to it and my speedo crept up to 58.
Not often said but the responsiveness of the engine often means that a tiiiny input translates to me just crossing the speed limit.
Be great on long journeys as well.
Helen says parking sensors. She can't see out the back,so it's guesswork entirely. I can just see enough to do it.
Not sure how parking sensors combined with the reverse gear beep would work but my rear view camera is lovely!
Quote from: Topdownman on December 16, 2020, 08:16Quote from: shnazzle on December 16, 2020, 07:55Cruise control.
My mr2 gets used for everything and there are a good few situations where cruise control would be bliss.
Hell, I would have avoided 3 points on my license if I had it.
I got got in a 50 zone. I was yapping with my passenger about games, got too in to it and my speedo crept up to 58.
Not often said but the responsiveness of the engine often means that a tiiiny input translates to me just crossing the speed limit.
Be great on long journeys as well.
Helen says parking sensors. She can't see out the back,so it's guesswork entirely. I can just see enough to do it.
Not sure how parking sensors combined with the reverse gear beep would work but my rear view camera is lovely!
Well I had one and it was very useful. Only reason I don't have one anymore is because I had a radio with a screen, but removed it bevause it was awful to use. Then I bought a separate screen that I mounted on my glove box but it looked crap. So, that was the end. The camera is actually still there.
I just need to find a better way to mount a screen in Helen's.
Maybe a pod. She doesn't use that top cubby anyway as she can't reach haha
Parking sensors???
I suppose when I first got my 2 it was more a daily driver than it is now but I rarely park on the street.
Bays at Sainsbury is more likely.
About 70bhp
Bluetooth stereo
Heated front screen
For mé even the rear window defroster is superfluous. Took the interior mirror out anyway.
The smt is supposed to have cruise control. Mine does not.
A better handbrake is what I míss, for the rest nothing really.
A bit more grunt/power would be nice but for the points on the drivers license it is quick enough as it is.
As to what I would have líked it had, that is aluminium bonnet and rear deck, hard mounted brake calipers.
Cruise control and steering column reach. Neither of which were a million miles away in 2004
Parking sensor - when my wife first had a drive in the new to us MR2 she put it in reverse and started to go backwards, 'be careful' I said, she said 'it's ok it's got reversing beeps' ... STOP!
I wish the steering wheel had more adjustment, seems very low to me and needs to go higher, I'm not particularly tall but my knees bang into it.
For me when I got the MR2 it was the sound of the thing, just didnt sound like a little sports roadster, as for anything else, dont miss any of it, I quite like getting in and driving a car with very few aids rather than the sanitized vehicles that are produced today, the MR2 gives you that raw bit of excitement that far too many of todays machines lack, mine is a weekend/sunny day car and is driven as such ;D
Rob
Over the years of ownership I found ways of taking stuff out that I won't miss.
Quote from: Dev on December 16, 2020, 15:49Over the years of ownership I found ways of taking stuff out that I won't miss.
Is that under the mantle of decluttering or have you been "adding lightness" as does another on here ?
Quote from: Joesson on December 16, 2020, 16:15Quote from: Dev on December 16, 2020, 15:49Over the years of ownership I found ways of taking stuff out that I won't miss.
Is that under the mantle of decluttering or have you been "adding lightness" as does another on here ?
I would say a little bit of both. Lots of shielding, plastic trim and a variety of items like the PS pump for better road feel. Less clutter, lightness and stuff that I think gets in the way of making a good car better. Too many parts to list but its a lot of small stuff that adds up. It doesn't mean that my car is stripped and very basic as I replaced and improved on certain aspects of the interior to bring up the quality to a higher standard keeping it true to a road car that has the appearance of not being modified to everyone but another owner.
When I was dailying the 2 the thing I missed the most was heated wing mirrors. On the cold wet days they would often not clear, and every other car I have had (since maybe 1993 ish) have all had them.
Driving to Ding Day, and my tour round Europe, I had wished for cruise control, but not really needed unless lots of time on a motorway.
The big thing I miss is radio controls on the steering wheel. They are great, but because I dont have them on the 2 find I keep using the radio controls on my other car rather than the steering wheel controls.
I have installed a Sony remote commander, but because I've been without it for so long then I keep forgetting to use it.
Other things I guess are auto windows for the passenger side, and auto up for both.
Maybe if the stereo was up higher then a touchscreen would be more useful, and parking sensors / camera - if only for the distance from the kerb for your exhaust. I've hit my a few times :(
But again we are getting away from the essence of a cheap sports car / runabout.
Quote from: Zxrob on December 16, 2020, 12:24For me when I got the MR2 it was the sound of the thing, just didnt sound like a little sports roadster,
Yes, I totally agree with that. As I changed that swiftly I forgot but yes, that is why it was highest on the to-do list.
Quote from: tricky1138 on December 16, 2020, 16:49But again we are getting away from the essence of a cheap sports car / runabout.
Quite.
In mý opinion it could have done with simple hand adjusted door mirrors, ditto window winders and without central/electric locking. It is a sign of our consumerism times that even for such a small basic fun sports car this ´comfort/convenience´ stuff is seen as essential.
Mine rarely misses. Just can't resist flattening cans in the road.
Quote from: Petrus on December 16, 2020, 18:55Quote from: tricky1138 on December 16, 2020, 16:49But again we are getting away from the essence of a cheap sports car / runabout.
Quite.
In mý opinion it could have done with simple hand adjusted door mirrors, ditto window winders and without central/electric locking. It is a sign of our consumerism times that even for such a small basic fun sports car this ´comfort/convenience´ stuff is seen as essential.
I so miss the Flintstone cars.
Can you still get the hand chiselled 'rollers' for them?
I think 'Neanderthal' still have some in stock - but only in the non-staggered version.
Always thought the canopy was a bit of overkill.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Carolyn on December 16, 2020, 19:09Mine rarely misses. Just can't resist flattening cans in the road.
I have been ´damaged´ by decades of motorcycle riding in this respect too: I find it impossible to deliberately drive a wheel over stuff lying on the road, whatever it appears to be.
Quote from: SV-3 on December 16, 2020, 19:34I so miss the Flintstone cars.
Me too so....
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The windshield washer is on the ´to go´ list too btw.
@Petrus said "The windshield washer is on the ´to go´ list too btw."
,
Some years ago when our son first moved to the US we were visiting, it was getting late and dark and we hadn't eaten and we went in search of a take away that was still open. We got further and further away from the centre of things until we found a small Chinese take away that was just about to close, it was very late.
In this part of the World take away food is typically " to go" , so in we went and my son asked what they had " to go" , it was an elderly couple running the place and they barely spoke English/ American, the lady said in a heavily accented voice
"What chew mean, to go, we goh chicken, we goh beef, we goh pork, what chew mean to go?"
Cruise.
Quote from: tricky1138 on December 16, 2020, 16:49When I was dailying the 2 the thing I missed the most was heated wing mirrors. On the cold wet days they would often not clear, and every other car I have had (since maybe 1993 ish) have all had them.
Driving to Ding Day, and my tour round Europe, I had wished for cruise control, but not really needed unless lots of time on a motorway.
The big thing I miss is radio controls on the steering wheel. They are great, but because I dont have them on the 2 find I keep using the radio controls on my other car rather than the steering wheel controls.
I have installed a Sony remote commander, but because I've been without it for so long then I keep forgetting to use it.
Other things I guess are auto windows for the passenger side, and auto up for both.
Maybe if the stereo was up higher then a touchscreen would be more useful, and parking sensors / camera - if only for the distance from the kerb for your exhaust. I've hit my a few times :(
But again we are getting away from the essence of a cheap sports car / runabout.
Its funny really, when I had my 350z roadster, I added an all singing and dancing sony double in, reverse camera,ect, ect, now I have the MR2 I just love the basic simplicity of it, still have the original radio in, not that I ever put it on, less is more at times ;D
Rob
https://www.monkeywrenchracing.com/product/mwr-cruise-control-kit-v3-2000-05-mr2-spyder/
Why doesn't anyone mention the lack of storage! You can't even get the weekly shop in one, let alone contemplate a trip to Le Mans and camping for the weekend. Perhaps "runabout" is an apt name for it ;)
Quote from: scm2004red on December 17, 2020, 09:21Why doesn't anyone mention the lack of storage! You can't even get the weekly shop in one, let alone contemplate a trip to Le Mans and camping for the weekend. Perhaps "runabout" is an apt name for it ;)
Because it is not an issue?
I go for long weekends with charming company, have the front bucket out and stíll have enough space to stow the luggage.
Just take the rear cubby doors out and presto!
The weekly is even less of an issue as you have the passenger footwell and seat to put bags or what!!
No, don´t see that gripe. It is not a hot hatch after all.
Looking at the frunk on @ Petrus 's 2 there is little or no indication of rust, even the steering UJ is a silvery colour.
Not only California for rust free cars !
Besides the usual, (70bhp and some suspension companies to take this car seriously !).I am also finding it hard to get wheels in the correct size to match the front with the 15/16, i,ve been looking for months, and for shocks.
I'm just going to stick to standard I think.
But more importantly I would like the green light up ring back on my cig lighter like Toyotas used to have, that button you used to have to press to get steering lock off and one of those nice wheel chocks you used to get in the tool kit.
And my daughter moans about ther bieng no mirror on the sun visor. Doesn't bother me.
Quote from: toyoda on December 17, 2020, 14:57Besides the usual, (70bhp and some suspension companies to take this car seriously !).I am also finding it hard to get wheels in the correct size to match the front with the 15/16, i,ve been looking for months, and for shocks.
I'm just going to stick to standard I think.
But more importantly I would like the green light up ring back on my cig lighter like Toyotas used to have, that button you used to have to press to get steering lock off and one of those nice wheel chocks you used to get in the tool kit.
And my daughter moans about ther bieng no mirror on the sun visor. Doesn't bother me.
The tool kit did originally come with a chock(at least the two I have both have them). The OEM wheels are very light and hard to beat. The 70 bhp can be arranged, (well more like fifty) for a few thousand quid :)
Quote from: toyoda on December 17, 2020, 14:57And my daughter moans about ther bieng no mirror on the sun visor. Doesn't bother me.
Málaga girl too, so replaced the visors by the forum plugs :-)
Good points all. Tho I do think anybody will be aware of no storage before they buy one ! Not an issue for me as the 2 is for my work (10ml round trip ),,, Yaris is for local trips ( n the dump run,,, tho don't tell my wife ) fiesta tdci is proper trips n for wife's work ( 100 ml round trips )
It's the things as a daily all weather drive that become apparent, hence the rear wiper and no heated screen for frosty mornings.
When my wife asked what I don't like about the 2, I said with a serious face, " the lights and wipers,,", she asked why ? , " because you have to turn them off BY HAND !! Yes by HAND !
I'd liked to have seen Toyota add rear seats and more storage space, perhaps an opening boot too ;D
Joking aside I am loving the Foxy the Roadster and honestly don't think I miss anything that the newer cars in my fleet offer.
As I mentioned to Chilli Girl, it's a lot less refined than my previous Boxsters and my Z3 but all the better for it!
The tool kit did originally come with a chock(at least the two I have both have them). The OEM wheels are very light and hard to beat. The 70 bhp can be arranged, (well more like fifty) for a few thousand quid :)
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I will have to find a chock, I used to have a few at home when I worked at Toyota, they are usefull.
I need 2 rear 16" wheels, not desperate but soonish, this is the second set of rears that have cracked, (nothing to do with Toyota), I had them powder coated by some idiots, after a year they started cracking on the spokes.
Yes I want a 2zz but £2K it seems out of reach, I want a hardtop first.
Quote from: scm2004red on December 17, 2020, 09:21Why doesn't anyone mention the lack of storage! You can't even get the weekly shop in one, let alone contemplate a trip to Le Mans and camping for the weekend. Perhaps "runabout" is an apt name for it ;)
You most certainly can. It does require the alarm move and spare wheel replaced with a tyre repair kit.
I do a full shop every week in it.
One massive bag in thr frunk, usually topped by a back of toilet roll or multi-bag bag of crisps. Then one bag (usually frozen/meat) in the passenger footwell and a other big bag on the passenger seat. Plenty space to pile on top anything else from the middle isle of Aldi.
I did the same shop in the Peug estate the other week and it almost filled the rather large boot.
Perhaps I am missing the consumer market the MR2 roadster is targeted at? Presumably the single, unattached owner?
My criticism of the lack of storage space was assuming the car was, as designed, carrying a driver and passenger and as it came out of the showroom. If I had realised that to carry anything you had to leave the passenger, spare wheel and locker doors at home to utilise every available inch of space to get the weekly shopping in, I wouldn't have bothered to query the issue.
Perhaps I should have said the thing the MR2 misses is the ability to carry a passenger and spare wheel when going to Le Mans for a camping weekend. ;)
Quote from: scm2004red on December 18, 2020, 09:09Perhaps I am missing the consumer market the MR2 roadster is targeted at? Presumably the single, unattached owner?
My criticism of the lack of storage space was assuming the car was, as designed, carrying a driver and passenger and as it came out of the showroom. If I had realised that to carry anything you had to leave the passenger, spare wheel and locker doors at home to utilise every available inch of space to get the weekly shopping in, I wouldn't have bothered to query the issue.
Perhaps I should have said the thing the MR2 misses is the ability to carry a passenger and spare wheel when going to Le Mans for a camping weekend. ;)
The passenger finds their own way there and from what I've seen all the camping gear is left on site at Le Mans so there's room for the passenger on the way back.
As someone who runs a permanent hard top i wish it had a proper roof as previous models.
Quote from: 105e on December 18, 2020, 10:31As someone who runs a permanent hard top i wish it had a proper roof as previous models.
That's a stretch too far - even for me ;)
Quote from: scm2004red on December 18, 2020, 09:09Perhaps I am missing the consumer market the MR2 roadster is targeted at? Presumably the single, unattached owner?
My criticism of the lack of storage space was assuming the car was, as designed, carrying a driver and passenger and as it came out of the showroom. If I had realised that to carry anything you had to leave the passenger, spare wheel and locker doors at home to utilise every available inch of space to get the weekly shopping in, I wouldn't have bothered to query the issue.
Perhaps I should have said the thing the MR2 misses is the ability to carry a passenger and spare wheel when going to Le Mans for a camping weekend. ;)
One must be specific :)
But yes, agreed, as intended the MR2 has barely enough storage for a couple weekend getaway. With the female contingent in particular economising on what comes with.
We have done it. But it's certainly not comfortable
I shall always remember back in 2006, Angela and I travelled up the North west of Scotland from Dumfries in Chilli. We had 4 days up there and when we reached the hotel, the owner at the hotel couldn't believe his eyes when we trundled in with about 10 or more plastic bags full of our stuff. He said, how did you get all that in that car? :o. We both smiled at him and then was offered a free drink! You can make MR2's as impracticable as you want or you can just "have a think" and pack sensibly, I did the latter! ;D
Quote from: Mickemo on December 17, 2020, 17:37I'd liked to have seen Toyota add rear seats and more storage space, perhaps an opening boot too ;D
Joking aside I am loving the Foxy the Roadster and honestly don't think I miss anything that the newer cars in my fleet offer.
As I mentioned to Chilli Girl, it's a lot less refined than my previous Boxsters and my Z3 but all the better for it!
re refinement
I had a series of Audi TT ranging from 10 reg Mk2 1.8(160 bhp) up to 17reg TTs 310 bhp 4wd
The '2' couldn't hope to compete with those excellent cabins, but for driver involvement and pleasure has them licked by a wide margin
Quote from: 105e on December 18, 2020, 10:31As someone who runs a permanent hard top i wish it had a proper roof as previous models.
@Ardent This one is beyond redemption.
Someone needs to go to their room and think about what they have done!
Yes and not come out. ;)
Quote from: shnazzle on December 18, 2020, 12:55We have done it. But it's certainly not comfortable
Done it with three different females and worked a treat even without the front bucket. But then I have gone on trips with a girl on the back of a motorbike for yéars so feel spoiled with ány car.
Quote from: scm2004red on December 17, 2020, 09:21Why doesn't anyone mention the lack of storage! You can't even get the weekly shop in one, let alone contemplate a trip to Le Mans and camping for the weekend. Perhaps "runabout" is an apt name for it ;)
I've been to Le Mans in my MR2.
Zero issues.
Quote from: Petrus on December 18, 2020, 14:43Quote from: shnazzle on December 18, 2020, 12:55We have done it. But it's certainly not comfortable
Done it with three different females and worked a treat even without the front bucket. But then I have gone on trips with a girl on the back of a motorbike for yéars so feel spoiled with ány car.
That doesn't count! Your passengers don't wear clothes!
Quote from: shnazzle on December 18, 2020, 15:09Quote from: Petrus on December 18, 2020, 14:43Quote from: shnazzle on December 18, 2020, 12:55We have done it. But it's certainly not comfortable
Done it with three different females and worked a treat even without the front bucket. But then I have gone on trips with a girl on the back of a motorbike for yéars so feel spoiled with ány car.
That doesn't count! Your passengers don't wear clothes!
Lol!
Quote from: shnazzle on December 18, 2020, 15:09That doesn't count! Your passengers don't wear clothes!
Aye and I have the photos to proove it LOLZ.
Quote from: 105e on December 18, 2020, 10:31As someone who runs a permanent hard top i wish it had a proper roof as previous models.
GT86?
Quote from: Ardent on December 18, 2020, 16:43Quote from: 105e on December 18, 2020, 10:31As someone who runs a permanent hard top i wish it had a proper roof as previous models.
GT86?
Taking out the softtop and fitting Snelbaard´s brackets does the trick. Again don´t see the issue.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 18, 2020, 14:27Quote from: 105e on December 18, 2020, 10:31As someone who runs a permanent hard top i wish it had a proper roof as previous models.
@Ardent
This one is beyond redemption.
Came on here to cheer myself up. Hey ho.
That said, even a step too far, for
@SV-3 that cheered me up.
Quote from: Ardent on December 18, 2020, 16:54Came on here to cheer myself up. Hey ho.
That said, even a step too far, for @SV-3 that cheered me up.
The nude passengers did not ??!!
They weren't my passengers. ;) :)
Quote from: Ardent on December 18, 2020, 16:43Quote from: 105e on December 18, 2020, 10:31As someone who runs a permanent hard top i wish it had a proper roof as previous models.
GT86?
Not mid-engine and 10x more expensive, can't even consider it close.
Quote from: scm2004red on December 18, 2020, 09:09Perhaps I am missing the consumer market the MR2 roadster is targeted at? Presumably the single, unattached owner?
My criticism of the lack of storage space was assuming the car was, as designed, carrying a driver and passenger and as it came out of the showroom. If I had realised that to carry anything you had to leave the passenger, spare wheel and locker doors at home to utilise every available inch of space to get the weekly shopping in, I wouldn't have bothered to query the issue.
Perhaps I should have said the thing the MR2 misses is the ability to carry a passenger and spare wheel when going to Le Mans for a camping weekend. ;)
I am definitely not the main target audience, but I carry a passenger 90% of times and the spare wheel is in the frunk as I keep forgetting to take it out. Everything for me goes behind the seats where the soft top used to be, surprisingly loads of room that way, even if it doesn't look like it.
Other than Pat are many using theirs as a daily then?
Quote from: Bossworld on December 19, 2020, 08:31Other than Pat are many using theirs as a daily then?
@BahnStormer and
@jvanzyl i think use theirs to commute and maybe
@StuC .
Certainly did before covid
Quote from: Bossworld on December 19, 2020, 08:31Other than Pat are many using theirs as a daily then?
Define ´daily´.
It is my ´daily transport´ but do not commute.
I share my life with two loves and most kms I make are between the two homes with detours for practical stuff. Second km maker is drives with one to go out. Well, cáme; this year is a pity, only two long weekends away with the itsybity spyder.
So I basically always have an ´overnighter´ in the cubby or in the passenger footwell.
Quote from: Petrus on December 19, 2020, 09:19Quote from: Bossworld on December 19, 2020, 08:31Other than Pat are many using theirs as a daily then?
Define ´daily´.
It is my ´daily transport´ but do not commute.
If you needed to go to a supermarket, IKEA, lengthy airport run or A.N. Other, do you have an alternative car to avoid having to be overly imaginative with packing and removing seats.
Would be my definition. Which then renders some of the shortcomings less relevant to some of us.
I used to use mine for a twice a week commute, going to the gym/swimming pool four times a week and the occasional supermarket shop. If I only had the one car I think I'd have struggled more.
Which then harks back to the other conversations regarding weekend/track toys.
Yeah it's basically my daily commute car if I go in to the office... got other cars to manage physical things that are too big
Quote from: Bossworld on December 19, 2020, 10:50Quote from: Petrus on December 19, 2020, 09:19Quote from: Bossworld on December 19, 2020, 08:31Other than Pat are many using theirs as a daily then?
Define ´daily´.
It is my ´daily transport´ but do not commute.
If you needed to go to a supermarket, IKEA, lengthy airport run or A.N. Other, do you have an alternative car to avoid having to be overly imaginative with packing and removing seats.
Would be my definition. Which then renders some of the shortcomings less relevant to some of us.
I used to use mine for a twice a week commute, going to the gym/swimming pool four times a week and the occasional supermarket shop. If I only had the one car I think I'd have struggled more.
Which then harks back to the other conversations regarding weekend/track toys.
I regards to this I have access to many vehicles but in the past have had the 2 as my only car and did press it into service when going to sainsbury. It can be done but it's much easier now I have my focus estate.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 19, 2020, 20:33It can be done but it's much easier now I have my focus estate.
Tried to fold back the roof of the estate? :-)
Point is that there are horses for courses.
There are quite a few five seater cabrios too, but do you réally want to be able to take along the grandparents in you fun cabrio?!
The itsybitsy spyder is about mid engined cornering fun. See it as a better mannered Elise. It is imo quite quick enough for that and (with the bubby lids out) has plenty of luggage space for a romantic long weekend away.
Want hi-fi sound, then it is the wrong car; too much noise as base level.
Want to do the week´s shopping for the orphanage; get a van.
Now, the SSangYong Rodius with 4x4, 2.9 TD and automatic does just about all but drop the roof down but... have you séén it!!! The Spyder nails the looks too imo. Ok, so it compromises with the ´pactical´ stuff; tant pis.
As others have said - it needs a bit more power. The 2ZZ conversion is where the car should have been out of the factory. That lack of power is what prevents the car being a modern classic.
It would have been an absolutely amazing car if it was launched with similar performance to a VX220 and a slightly better suspension.
That said a bit of money spent on it, and it's one of the cheapest ways you can have a fairly serious track car. Bearing in mind a VX220 or an Elise costs (at least) £10k. Spending £10k on buying and modifying an MR2 it would be a serious bit of track kit.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 19, 2020, 09:17Quote from: Bossworld on December 19, 2020, 08:31Other than Pat are many using theirs as a daily then?
@BahnStormer and @jvanzyl i think use theirs to commute and maybe @StuC .
Certainly did before covid
Yup, pre-covid Banana was a daily drive. She has been for 8 years.
Perfect runabout for me.
Quote from: AJRFulton on December 19, 2020, 23:44As others have said - it needs a bit more power. The 2ZZ conversion is where the car should have been out of the factory. That lack of power is what prevents the car being a modern classic.
I disagree on two counts:
1. it is becoming a modern classic regardless
2. the 1ZZ-FE is a múch nicer engine and I think the off the shelf TRD supercharger option offered for this engine in the Corolla and the Vibe would have been thé ticket
Toyota did not and instead gave TTE the green light to develop a turbo for the MR2.
The weirdest thing of all is that while Toyota did not offer their exísting kit for the MR2, TTE díd develop a supercharged Corolla for 2006- which thus outfitted cost 33.600 €uros; more than the base price of a 2021 Yaris GR!!
Quote from: AJRFulton on December 19, 2020, 23:44As others have said - it needs a bit more power. The 2ZZ conversion is where the car should have been out of the factory. That lack of power is what prevents the car being a modern classic.
Power doesn't make a modern classic, the early MX4+1 and MGF are already in that category and are similarly powered to the MR2, it is the appeal of the car to the classic buying public. For what it is worth, Practical Classics magazine have now listed the MR2 MK3 in their classic price guide, and in a comparison test between the MX, MG and MR2 recently in the magazine, the MR2 came 3rd, simply because of the lack of luggage space!
Quote from: Karthoum on December 19, 2020, 04:10Quote from: Ardent on December 18, 2020, 16:43Quote from: 105e on December 18, 2020, 10:31As someone who runs a permanent hard top i wish it had a proper roof as previous models.
GT86?
Not mid-engine and 10x more expensive, can't even consider it close.
Seems to me, depends on the starting point. And what is the priority. 105e has a HT on full time. So that seems an important thing to them. That being so. Why buy a soft top car.
Fiat X19?
As much as I like the GT86. I would not buy one because it lacks a soft top.
The mid engine bit was not even on the radar as a consideration when I bought my 2.
Might start another thread. What are peoples top considerations when choosing a car. Sub heading? compromises prepared to make?
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Seems to me, depends on the starting point. And what is the priority. 105e has a HT on full time. So that seems an important thing to them. That being so. Why buy a soft top car.
] Because a hardtop is available, and with your reasoning why did Toyota make a hard top for a soft top car
To sell like any other accessory.
Indeed, thus increasing the potential market.
Also a soft top with an optional hard top is a better proposition than a Targa top that is neither one or the other.
Quote from: scm2004red on December 20, 2020, 09:07between the MX, MG and MR2 recently in the magazine, the MR2 came 3rd, simply because of the lack of luggage space!
Silly to the power of silly illustrated; like you buy a classic car for hauling the shopping. If anything it is a plus for a classic as it gives one a valid argument to have a classic luggage rack on the rear deck.
Ah well, all the better for the dríving enthusiasts ;-)
Quote from: Petrus on December 20, 2020, 12:32Quote from: scm2004red on December 20, 2020, 09:07between the MX, MG and MR2 recently in the magazine, the MR2 came 3rd, simply because of the lack of luggage space!
Silly to the power of silly illustrated; like you buy a classic car for hauling the shopping. If anything it is a plus for a classic as it gives one a valid argument to have a classic luggage rack on the rear deck.
Ah well, all the better for the dríving enthusiasts ;-)
I did have a 370Z a few years ago - which was a flawed car.
However it did my tits in that every review scored the car down for lack of luggage space. Same with things like the Elise - nobody cares about lack of luggage space when buying these cars.
Quote from: AJRFulton on December 20, 2020, 13:04However it did my tits in that every review scored the car down for lack of luggage space. Same with things like the Elise - nobody cares about lack of luggage space when buying these cars.
I always think how often the luggage space ís an issue. Is it really worth it to have a trunk or rear hatch for that áll of the time or is a temporary rack on the back not more sense?!
I mean what is more important mid-engine all the time or trunk space occasionally needed?
Btw.loading up a trunk totally ruins the handling. Have you read thát anywhere?! Strapping one on the rack above the rear axle is not a tuning mod. either but at least you have a solid argument for minimalism, for the minimum literal burden on the driving fun.
Mind; I have emphatically NOT mentioned the luggage rack option to any charming company :-)
Quote from: scm2004red on December 20, 2020, 09:07Quote from: AJRFulton on December 19, 2020, 23:44As others have said - it needs a bit more power. The 2ZZ conversion is where the car should have been out of the factory. That lack of power is what prevents the car being a modern classic.
Power doesn't make a modern classic, the early MX4+1 and MGF are already in that category and are similarly powered to the MR2, it is the appeal of the car to the classic buying public. For what it is worth, Practical Classics magazine have now listed the MR2 MK3 in their classic price guide, and in a comparison test between the MX, MG and MR2 recently in the magazine, the MR2 came 3rd, simply because of the lack of luggage space!
Great reason right there not to read that publication.
Why do you need your classic to be practical surely it is a vehicle for pure enjoyment.
Not so long ago, or am I kidding myself with rear view vision, roof racks were popular. Before the current trend for roof boxes I made my own when our children were young and we went camping a few times. Extra space was required then because the frame tents were rather large.
I wonder if a roof rack for a 2 with hard top would be considered by those wishing to optimise the luggage capacity?
So, it would seem that whatever car was/ is the chosen one there would often be something or some duty that it could not perform and that should include inducing a smile.
Quote from: Joesson on December 20, 2020, 14:32Not so long ago, or am I kidding myself with rear view vision, roof racks were popular. Before the current trend for roof boxes I made my own when our children were young and we went camping a few times. Extra space was required then because the frame tents were rather large.
I wonder if a roof rack for a 2 with hard top would be considered by those wishing to optimise the luggage capacity?
So, it would seem that whatever car was/ is the chosen one there would often be something or some duty that it could not perform and that should include inducing a smile.
@CB 1971 is already moving towards using their hardtop to carry speakers - sort of an inverted 'variation on a theme' (perhaps by Mozart, Beethoven and the other guys in the band?).
Nothing. Jump in, roof down, drive. It's no Elise but it isn't priced like one either.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 20, 2020, 14:23Quote from: scm2004red on December 20, 2020, 09:07Quote from: AJRFulton on December 19, 2020, 23:44As others have said - it needs a bit more power. The 2ZZ conversion is where the car should have been out of the factory. That lack of power is what prevents the car being a modern classic.
Power doesn't make a modern classic, the early MX4+1 and MGF are already in that category and are similarly powered to the MR2, it is the appeal of the car to the classic buying public. For what it is worth, Practical Classics magazine have now listed the MR2 MK3 in their classic price guide, and in a comparison test between the MX, MG and MR2 recently in the magazine, the MR2 came 3rd, simply because of the lack of luggage space!
Great reason right there not to read that publication.
Why do you need your classic to be practical surely it is a vehicle for pure enjoyment.
There was an article written about the MR-S development that is now gone from internets. This is where the infamous parts bin car reference was coined. Im going off memory but from what I remember the engineers were working away from the rest of Toyota management as a project that had two objectives one of them being a replacement for the MK2. Toyota was trying to learn how to build cars of the future for an emerging market of a new generation of owners that are into customizing. What they actually got was a chief engineer and their team build a focused sports car with lots of compromises one of them being luggage space and dumbed down performance to meet its marketing and price goals. The parts bin reference is not accurate as the MR-S although uses commonly available parts just like any car including exotic cars however there are many unique parts that are specific for this car compared to the rest of the Toyota line up. Fortunately we can still get parts because Toyota is a large company that doesn't abandon their customers.
The chief engineer made drivers enjoyment the main focus of this iteration and I think the goal was over fulfilled. Those that want more paper number comparisons miss the point entirely because this is a road going car that was made to be enjoyed at slower speeds but if one wanted the potential is exponential when the car is modified because the foundation is solid. This car has aged well and being underrated is what will be driving up prices in years to come. Even if they make a Mk4 it will be riddled with all sorts of complexity that comes out of regulation and with it a lot more weight and price point.
If you're offering, I'd like the soundtrack of a high revving V12 and perhaps a slightly more exotic badge (sorry Mr T), perhaps Lancia or Maserati but of course keeping the bomb-proof Toyota build.
Quote from: steveash on December 20, 2020, 17:55If you're offering, I'd like the soundtrack of a high revving V12 and perhaps a slightly more exotic badge (sorry Mr T), perhaps Lancia or Maserati but of course keeping the bomb-proof Toyota build.
Lotus Evora?
So no V12 but drivetrain is still Toyota and I think its a pretty prestigious badge.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 20, 2020, 20:05Quote from: steveash on December 20, 2020, 17:55If you're offering, I'd like the soundtrack of a high revving V12 and perhaps a slightly more exotic badge (sorry Mr T), perhaps Lancia or Maserati but of course keeping the bomb-proof Toyota build.
Lotus Evora?
So no V12 but drivetrain is still Toyota and I think its a pretty prestigious badge.
Sounds fair. Can you find me a good one for three grand then please?!
Quote from: Dev on December 20, 2020, 15:16Quote from: 1979scotte on December 20, 2020, 14:23Quote from: scm2004red on December 20, 2020, 09:07Quote from: AJRFulton on December 19, 2020, 23:44As others have said - it needs a bit more power. The 2ZZ conversion is where the car should have been out of the factory. That lack of power is what prevents the car being a modern classic.
Power doesn't make a modern classic, the early MX4+1 and MGF are already in that category and are similarly powered to the MR2, it is the appeal of the car to the classic buying public. For what it is worth, Practical Classics magazine have now listed the MR2 MK3 in their classic price guide, and in a comparison test between the MX, MG and MR2 recently in the magazine, the MR2 came 3rd, simply because of the lack of luggage space!
Great reason right there not to read that publication.
Why do you need your classic to be practical surely it is a vehicle for pure enjoyment.
There was an article written about the MR-S development that is now gone from internets. This is where the infamous parts bin car reference was coined. Im going off memory but from what I remember the engineers were working away from the rest of Toyota management as a project that had two objectives one of them being a replacement for the MK2. Toyota was trying to learn how to build cars of the future for an emerging market of a new generation of owners that are into customizing. What they actually got was a chief engineer and their team build a focused sports car with lots of compromises one of them being luggage space and dumbed down performance to meet its marketing and price goals. The parts bin reference is not accurate as the MR-S although uses commonly available parts just like any car including exotic cars however there are many unique parts that are specific for this car compared to the rest of the Toyota line up. Fortunately we can still get parts because Toyota is a large company that doesn't abandon their customers.
The chief engineer made drivers enjoyment the main focus of this iteration and I think the goal was over fulfilled. Those that want more paper number comparisons miss the point entirely because this is a road going car that was made to be enjoyed at slower speeds but if one wanted the potential is exponential when the car is modified because the foundation is solid. This car has aged well and being underrated is what will be driving up prices in years to come. Even if they make a Mk4 it will be riddled with all sorts of complexity that comes out of regulation and with it a lot more weight and price point.
I remember that article actually.
It was aimed at driving experience and efficiency.
Quote from: Ardent on December 20, 2020, 09:12The mid engine bit was not even on the radar as a consideration when I bought my 2.
Might start another thread. What are peoples top considerations when choosing a car. Sub heading? compromises prepared to make?
And for me the soft top was not the consideration when buying the car, if I still lived in the US I'd still have paid $2-3k for a hardtop to go permanent with it, luckily I've spent only £800 for 2 hardtops so far here in the UK. Which means despite it being a soft top car, I can resolve the issue quite easily (along with the full bracing on it).
Making a car mid engine however, not very likely with my skill level and even then it'd probably be a hatch with a shoddy wheelbase length.
Quote from: steveash on December 20, 2020, 20:18Quote from: 1979scotte on December 20, 2020, 20:05Quote from: steveash on December 20, 2020, 17:55If you're offering, I'd like the soundtrack of a high revving V12 and perhaps a slightly more exotic badge (sorry Mr T), perhaps Lancia or Maserati but of course keeping the bomb-proof Toyota build.
Lotus Evora?
So no V12 but drivetrain is still Toyota and I think its a pretty prestigious badge.
Sounds fair. Can you find me a good one for three grand then please?!
No problem just wait 10 years.
Quote from: shnazzle on December 20, 2020, 22:58Quote from: Dev on December 20, 2020, 15:16Quote from: 1979scotte on December 20, 2020, 14:23Quote from: scm2004red on December 20, 2020, 09:07Quote from: AJRFulton on December 19, 2020, 23:44As others have said - it needs a bit more power. The 2ZZ conversion is where the car should have been out of the factory. That lack of power is what prevents the car being a modern classic.
Power doesn't make a modern classic, the early MX4+1 and MGF are already in that category and are similarly powered to the MR2, it is the appeal of the car to the classic buying public. For what it is worth, Practical Classics magazine have now listed the MR2 MK3 in their classic price guide, and in a comparison test between the MX, MG and MR2 recently in the magazine, the MR2 came 3rd, simply because of the lack of luggage space!
Great reason right there not to read that publication.
Why do you need your classic to be practical surely it is a vehicle for pure enjoyment.
There was an article written about the MR-S development that is now gone from internets. This is where the infamous parts bin car reference was coined. Im going off memory but from what I remember the engineers were working away from the rest of Toyota management as a project that had two objectives one of them being a replacement for the MK2. Toyota was trying to learn how to build cars of the future for an emerging market of a new generation of owners that are into customizing. What they actually got was a chief engineer and their team build a focused sports car with lots of compromises one of them being luggage space and dumbed down performance to meet its marketing and price goals. The parts bin reference is not accurate as the MR-S although uses commonly available parts just like any car including exotic cars however there are many unique parts that are specific for this car compared to the rest of the Toyota line up. Fortunately we can still get parts because Toyota is a large company that doesn't abandon their customers.
The chief engineer made drivers enjoyment the main focus of this iteration and I think the goal was over fulfilled. Those that want more paper number comparisons miss the point entirely because this is a road going car that was made to be enjoyed at slower speeds but if one wanted the potential is exponential when the car is modified because the foundation is solid. This car has aged well and being underrated is what will be driving up prices in years to come. Even if they make a Mk4 it will be riddled with all sorts of complexity that comes out of regulation and with it a lot more weight and price point.
I remember that article actually.
It was aimed at driving experience and efficiency.
I just got done watching an informative send off video about the LFA that went into great detail about all of the components that went into its design. The primary goal of enjoyment was the same. Sure that car had the Nurburgring lap record for a short time but that was not what they were going for. Its not a track car although they did make a variants that were, it is primarily a car for road enjoyment.
If you watch any of those youtube videos for our car you will find the reviewer discussing about all of the attributes that are generally compared for other cars and they will tend to put the car in a negative light that its not powerful or doesn't have enough practicality but once they find themselves negotiating around some tight corners they shut up and lose themselves uncontrollably with so much joy on their faces. They will then change their vocabulary with adjectives . That is exactly the magic sauce you do not get with a more capable car. Toyota knows what is important better than the owners and critics that cant see past paper spec comparisons.
Quote from: Dev on December 21, 2020, 15:15Quote from: shnazzle on December 20, 2020, 22:58Quote from: Dev on December 20, 2020, 15:16Quote from: 1979scotte on December 20, 2020, 14:23Quote from: scm2004red on December 20, 2020, 09:07Quote from: AJRFulton on December 19, 2020, 23:44As others have said - it needs a bit more power. The 2ZZ conversion is where the car should have been out of the factory. That lack of power is what prevents the car being a modern classic.
Power doesn't make a modern classic, the early MX4+1 and MGF are already in that category and are similarly powered to the MR2, it is the appeal of the car to the classic buying public. For what it is worth, Practical Classics magazine have now listed the MR2 MK3 in their classic price guide, and in a comparison test between the MX, MG and MR2 recently in the magazine, the MR2 came 3rd, simply because of the lack of luggage space!
Great reason right there not to read that publication.
Why do you need your classic to be practical surely it is a vehicle for pure enjoyment.
There was an article written about the MR-S development that is now gone from internets. This is where the infamous parts bin car reference was coined. Im going off memory but from what I remember the engineers were working away from the rest of Toyota management as a project that had two objectives one of them being a replacement for the MK2. Toyota was trying to learn how to build cars of the future for an emerging market of a new generation of owners that are into customizing. What they actually got was a chief engineer and their team build a focused sports car with lots of compromises one of them being luggage space and dumbed down performance to meet its marketing and price goals. The parts bin reference is not accurate as the MR-S although uses commonly available parts just like any car including exotic cars however there are many unique parts that are specific for this car compared to the rest of the Toyota line up. Fortunately we can still get parts because Toyota is a large company that doesn't abandon their customers.
The chief engineer made drivers enjoyment the main focus of this iteration and I think the goal was over fulfilled. Those that want more paper number comparisons miss the point entirely because this is a road going car that was made to be enjoyed at slower speeds but if one wanted the potential is exponential when the car is modified because the foundation is solid. This car has aged well and being underrated is what will be driving up prices in years to come. Even if they make a Mk4 it will be riddled with all sorts of complexity that comes out of regulation and with it a lot more weight and price point.
I remember that article actually.
It was aimed at driving experience and efficiency.
I just got done watching an informative send off video about the LFA that went into great detail about all of the components that went into its design. The primary goal of enjoyment was the same. Sure that car had the Nurburgring lap record for a short time but that was not what they were going for. Its not a track car although they did make a variants that were, it is primarily a car for road enjoyment.
If you watch any of those youtube videos for our car you will find the reviewer discussing about all of the attributes that are generally compared for other cars and they will tend to put the car in a negative light that its not powerful or doesn't have enough practicality but once they find themselves negotiating around some tight corners they shut up and lose themselves uncontrollably with so much joy on their faces. They will then change their vocabulary with adjectives . That is exactly the magic sauce you do not get with a more capable car. Toyota knows what is important better than the owners and critics that cant see past paper spec comparisons.
I adore the LFA even get to see one on occasion as aguy around the corner always has the odd exotic parked on his drive in summer.
F40 and Carrera GT!
I think its part of a collection and they guy works there or something. You would not live around here if you had that sort of money.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 21, 2020, 17:39Quote from: Dev on December 21, 2020, 15:15Quote from: shnazzle on December 20, 2020, 22:58Quote from: Dev on December 20, 2020, 15:16Quote from: 1979scotte on December 20, 2020, 14:23Quote from: scm2004red on December 20, 2020, 09:07Quote from: AJRFulton on December 19, 2020, 23:44As others have said - it needs a bit more power. The 2ZZ conversion is where the car should have been out of the factory. That lack of power is what prevents the car being a modern classic.
Power doesn't make a modern classic, the early MX4+1 and MGF are already in that category and are similarly powered to the MR2, it is the appeal of the car to the classic buying public. For what it is worth, Practical Classics magazine have now listed the MR2 MK3 in their classic price guide, and in a comparison test between the MX, MG and MR2 recently in the magazine, the MR2 came 3rd, simply because of the lack of luggage space!
Great reason right there not to read that publication.
Why do you need your classic to be practical surely it is a vehicle for pure enjoyment.
There was an article written about the MR-S development that is now gone from internets. This is where the infamous parts bin car reference was coined. Im going off memory but from what I remember the engineers were working away from the rest of Toyota management as a project that had two objectives one of them being a replacement for the MK2. Toyota was trying to learn how to build cars of the future for an emerging market of a new generation of owners that are into customizing. What they actually got was a chief engineer and their team build a focused sports car with lots of compromises one of them being luggage space and dumbed down performance to meet its marketing and price goals. The parts bin reference is not accurate as the MR-S although uses commonly available parts just like any car including exotic cars however there are many unique parts that are specific for this car compared to the rest of the Toyota line up. Fortunately we can still get parts because Toyota is a large company that doesn't abandon their customers.
The chief engineer made drivers enjoyment the main focus of this iteration and I think the goal was over fulfilled. Those that want more paper number comparisons miss the point entirely because this is a road going car that was made to be enjoyed at slower speeds but if one wanted the potential is exponential when the car is modified because the foundation is solid. This car has aged well and being underrated is what will be driving up prices in years to come. Even if they make a Mk4 it will be riddled with all sorts of complexity that comes out of regulation and with it a lot more weight and price point.
I remember that article actually.
It was aimed at driving experience and efficiency.
I just got done watching an informative send off video about the LFA that went into great detail about all of the components that went into its design. The primary goal of enjoyment was the same. Sure that car had the Nurburgring lap record for a short time but that was not what they were going for. Its not a track car although they did make a variants that were, it is primarily a car for road enjoyment.
If you watch any of those youtube videos for our car you will find the reviewer discussing about all of the attributes that are generally compared for other cars and they will tend to put the car in a negative light that its not powerful or doesn't have enough practicality but once they find themselves negotiating around some tight corners they shut up and lose themselves uncontrollably with so much joy on their faces. They will then change their vocabulary with adjectives . That is exactly the magic sauce you do not get with a more capable car. Toyota knows what is important better than the owners and critics that cant see past paper spec comparisons.
I adore the LFA even get to see one on occasion as aguy around the corner always has the odd exotic parked on his drive in summer.
F40 and Carrera GT!
I think its part of a collection and they guy works there or something. You would not live around here if you had that sort of money.
In that case let me share this with you and everyone else. Probably the best car documentary I have seen all year. It gives you a glimpse into Toyotas philosophy of building sports cars. I would say it gets really good around the 10 minute mark.
A couple of interesting things to note. The car uses monotube KYB struts with external oil reservoirs. The oil pump scavenging is unique in that it makes sure to not reduce oil pressure when using an oil cooler. For our cars I have mentioned this many times to not use an external oil cooler unless its absolutely necessary because it is a double edged sword. Most people don't need an external oil cooler or an aluminum sump for the street which is prone to damage especially if the car is lowered.
Enjoy.
Chap at work sent me that a couple of weeks back. Gobsmacked.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 19, 2020, 09:17Quote from: Bossworld on December 19, 2020, 08:31Other than Pat are many using theirs as a daily then?
@BahnStormer and @jvanzyl i think use theirs to commute and maybe @StuC .
Certainly did before covid
I used mine for a commuting every day for nearly 3 years.... most of the time it was a 55mile round-trip, mostly on free-flowing B-roads, so was definitely a LOT better for that route than the 2 tonne snotwagon... lighter on fuel, more fun and better for squeezing down narrow lanes... that stopped in late 2019 (new job), but I still use it 95% of the time I need a car... the Audi only comes out when I need to take more than one of the kids somewhere...
and they're not bad in the snow either... I pulled over for a selfie just after scooching past a Range Rover that was being winched out of a ditch... I stopped to check everybody was okay and confirmed with the rescue truck: "Busy day winching SUV's on summer tyres?".... the answer was affirmative, but expletive-laden :)
Quote from: BahnStormer on January 24, 2021, 20:50and they're not bad in the snow either... I pulled over for a selfie just after scooching past a Range Rover that was being winched out of a ditch... I stopped to check everybody was okay and confirmed with the rescue truck: "Busy day winching SUV's on summer tyres?".... the answer was affirmative, but expletive-laden :)
They think they're invincible don't they.
The other week when it snowed it was traction control that stopped me getting up the hill. Can't turn it off on the focus.
Quote from: 1979scotte on January 24, 2021, 21:02Quote from: BahnStormer on January 24, 2021, 20:50and they're not bad in the snow either... I pulled over for a selfie just after scooching past a Range Rover that was being winched out of a ditch... I stopped to check everybody was okay and confirmed with the rescue truck: "Busy day winching SUV's on summer tyres?".... the answer was affirmative, but expletive-laden :)
They think they're invincible don't they.
The other week when it snowed it was traction control that stopped me getting up the hill. Can't turn it off on the focus.
The only wheel-spin I had y'day was intentional.... power over-steer on command in a stock 1ZZ :)
Quote from: BahnStormer on January 25, 2021, 12:24Quote from: 1979scotte on January 24, 2021, 21:02Quote from: BahnStormer on January 24, 2021, 20:50and they're not bad in the snow either... I pulled over for a selfie just after scooching past a Range Rover that was being winched out of a ditch... I stopped to check everybody was okay and confirmed with the rescue truck: "Busy day winching SUV's on summer tyres?".... the answer was affirmative, but expletive-laden :)
They think they're invincible don't they.
The other week when it snowed it was traction control that stopped me getting up the hill. Can't turn it off on the focus.
The only wheel-spin I had y'day was intentional.... power over-steer on command in a stock 1ZZ :)
You showoffs with your winter tyres.
...and to answer the original question... the only things I'd really want to change on mine now:
1) better+prettier proper quality headlights -miracle in some Elise S2/Rennen GT please!!
(the murky, crazed plastics are just an embarrassment)
2) lack of heated wing mirrors were a pain when I was dailying mine
3) about 80bhp + 80lb/ft (i.e. 2 extra cylinders or a supercharger)
Quote from: BahnStormer on January 25, 2021, 21:42...and to answer the original question... the only things I'd really want to change on mine now:
3) about 80bhp + 80lb/ft (i.e. 2 extra cylinders or a supercharger)
Why not both and an extra 140?
Quote from: 1979scotte on January 26, 2021, 01:13Quote from: BahnStormer on January 25, 2021, 21:42...and to answer the original question... the only things I'd really want to change on mine now:
3) about 80bhp + 80lb/ft (i.e. 2 extra cylinders or a supercharger)
Why not both and an extra 140?
was trying to be sensible... if it was properly money-no-object project car, I'd love the idea of trying a 4GR-FSE (the 2.5l) with a Rotrex.... 2GR obviously the bigger block, but it would have a nice mix of low-end torque + modern engine + lightweight + serious power... would be way over 300bhp though!