Following responses about functionality and in the US ´ricer´ in connetion with modifications had a quick look at the various MR2 subjects on several fora where the distinction was easy. The relative ´priority´ (the amount threads):
Appearance: 3
Performance (engine): 6
Handling/ suspension: 1
Power given twice the attention appearance get, which gets three times the attention the handling gets.
Mind; no opion here; just an observation born from curiousity.
Personally
Appearance 0
Power 7
Handling 3
Mainly because looks don't bother me and adding power is more quantifiable than making a car handle better.
I always find the first question that gets asked on any forum about cars with a sporting potential, is "what size wheels/tyres can I fit"!
Quote from: scm2004red on December 27, 2020, 14:33I always find the first question that gets asked on any forum about cars with a sporting potential, is "what size wheels/tyres can I fit"!
A tricky one that, as it ís a handling issue but just about exclusively asked as an appearance priority ;-)
Even lowering is more often about the looks of the wheel arch opening than about the COG. Hence the logically much stiffer lowering springs often not fitted with matching shocks.
It is the way it is and it should imo be noted that within road legal driving behaviour, the appearance is the most so. Road legal that is ;-)
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 14:28Mainly because looks don't bother me and adding power is more quantifiable than making a car handle better.
Looks carry great weight for me, but kilos more and those automatically affect performance ;-)
Then there is the elephant in the room; budget. It is hardly ever the subject though it nearly always is an crucial factor. It imo is a factor adding weight towards appearance as those mods shów where the money went.
Quote from: scm2004red on December 27, 2020, 14:33I always find the first question that gets asked on any forum about cars with a sporting potential, is "what size wheels/tyres can I fit"!
This is sad
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 16:15This is sad
Well, it is about taste.
You can bet on it that it will get way worse when F1 goes to larger rims, lower section rubber.
Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 17:27Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 16:15This is sad
Well, it is about taste.
You can bet on it that it will get way worse when F1 goes to larger rims, lower section rubber.
It's like everything else in this world.
Aesthetics
I'm going to spend even more money on my car to make it go as fast as I can but leave it looking like pooh just to prove a point.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 17:37I'm going to spend even more money on my car to make it go as fast as I can but leave it looking like pooh just to prove a point.
;-)
Way to go bro.
That´s why I dig the JDM sub culture wabi-sabi look.
Scotts variation is a something that goes like a greyhound with some wasabi up its backside.
Quote from: Ardent on December 27, 2020, 18:47Scotts variation is a something that goes like a greyhound with some wasabi up its backside.
99 wasabi with added ethanol 😛
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 17:37It's like everything else in this world.
Aesthetics
That's me knackered then. Says the short fat bloke.
Quote from: Ardent on December 27, 2020, 18:49Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 17:37It's like everything else in this world.
Aesthetics
That's me knackered then. Says the short fat bloke.
So glad I'm not young anymore.
All these kids with tik tok and Instagram totally absorbed I'm how they look and are perceived.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 17:37Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 17:27Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 16:15This is sad
Well, it is about taste.
You can bet on it that it will get way worse when F1 goes to larger rims, lower section rubber.
It's like everything else in this world.
Aesthetics
I'm going to spend even more money on my car to make it go as fast as I can but leave it looking like pooh just to prove a point.
Now, speaking of sad.
What about a few hundred $ for taking the rear seat out?
A totally new concept of free weight saving by deleting something:
https://www.shelbystore.com/product-p/wr-15-4ptcarpet.htm
Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 19:11Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 17:37Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 17:27Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 16:15This is sad
Well, it is about taste.
You can bet on it that it will get way worse when F1 goes to larger rims, lower section rubber.
It's like everything else in this world.
Aesthetics
I'm going to spend even more money on my car to make it go as fast as I can but leave it looking like pooh just to prove a point.
Now, speaking of sad.
What about a few hundred $ for taking the rear seat out?
A totally new concept of free weight saving by deleting something:
https://www.shelbystore.com/product-p/wr-15-4ptcarpet.htm
Just a bit of bloody carpet.
And here is a totally practical one you cannot póssibly fault from that pov but somehow... :o
http://helpurestore.com/5077/
Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 19:20And here is a totally practical one you cannot póssibly fault from that pov but somehow... :o
http://helpurestore.com/5077/
Thankfully I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be legal here.
Towing with a 2.
Dick.
oh dear.
Saved some weight by removing the toyota and MR2 badge. Unless spyders do not have them to begin with
Dos eye bleach
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 19:25Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 19:20And here is a totally practical one you cannot póssibly fault from that pov but somehow... :o
http://helpurestore.com/5077/
Thankfully I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be legal here.
Towing with a 2.
Dick.
Ah the ´somehow´ ;-)
In real life I have seen a Messerschmidt KR200 with luggage trailer and a Porsche 911 with caravan.
Quote from: Ardent on December 27, 2020, 19:30oh dear.
Saved some weight by removing the toyota and MR2 badge. Unless spyders do not have them to begin with
You got me there: I have ádded weight there; stuck a badge more on. Two actually, one on the rear, one on the glove box lid. Worse still Maserati badges :-O
Too small for anyone to notice I think; a personal joke.
vaguely recall. Some Maserati reference to their SMT equiv or something.
was thinking selespeed - but thats Alfa.
Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 19:19Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 19:11Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 17:37Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 17:27Quote from: 1979scotte on December 27, 2020, 16:15This is sad
Well, it is about taste.
You can bet on it that it will get way worse when F1 goes to larger rims, lower section rubber.
It's like everything else in this world.
Aesthetics
I'm going to spend even more money on my car to make it go as fast as I can but leave it looking like pooh just to prove a point.
Now, speaking of sad.
What about a few hundred $ for taking the rear seat out?
A totally new concept of free weight saving by deleting something:
https://www.shelbystore.com/product-p/wr-15-4ptcarpet.htm
Just a bit of bloody carpet.
Even at "ON SALE" price it is still "Just a bit of bloody carpet."
Quote from: Joesson on December 27, 2020, 19:46Even at "ON SALE" price it is still "Just a bit of bloody carpet."
Oh come on, think about the weight saved and you ´save´ over 200$ too.
@Petrus Have you got a complete list of all the things you have removed?
I might use that to start the basis of developing some "delete kits" the kits will be fabricated from the same material as the emperors new clothes. Call it a flat rate of £100 per kit.
As a loss leader, I will even do hard top delete kits for free.
MR2SpyderCambioCorsa1.jpg
MR2SpyderCambioCorsa2.jpg
Quote from: Ardent on December 27, 2020, 19:51@Petrus
Have you got a complete list of all the things you have removed?
Beejeezes, thát would take a while and even thén I would forget a few thinagmies. I think it is nicely summed up by me having taken off the little bracket for the nappies on the lower engine mount...
Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 19:51Quote from: Joesson on December 27, 2020, 19:46Even at "ON SALE" price it is still "Just a bit of bloody carpet."
Oh come on, think about the weight saved and you ´save´ over 200$ too.
If I were t be tempted along this endless path I'd go for the full Monty Spartan look and NOT have the kit at the full $595!
Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 20:05Quote from: Ardent on December 27, 2020, 19:51@Petrus
Have you got a complete list of all the things you have removed?
Beejeezes, thát would take a while and even thén I would forget a few thinagmies. I think it is nicely summed up by me having taken off the little bracket for the nappies on the lower engine mount...
@Petrus has to be the weight saving Master/ Meister, even his significant other passenger/s help out with minimal apparel.
Quote from: Joesson on December 27, 2020, 20:13If I were t be tempted along this endless path I'd go for the full Monty Spartan look and NOT have the kit at the full $595!
I top you; I´d take the seat and áll of the carpeting out for free myself and thén the heavyweight soundproofing as a bonus.
I bet it is a shocking lot heavier than the miserly harvest from the MR2.
Quote from: Petrus on December 27, 2020, 13:41Following responses about functionality and in the US ´ricer´ in connetion with modifications had a quick look at the various MR2 subjects on several fora where the distinction was easy. The relative ´priority´ (the amount threads):
Appearance: 3
Performance (engine): 6
Handling/ suspension: 1
Power given twice the attention appearance get, which gets three times the attention the handling gets.
Does the above equate to, I want to get there as fast as I can with my car looking good, fast as in a straight line. You know the old saying "power is nothing without control"
Each to their own
Rob
Quote from: Zxrob on December 28, 2020, 21:44Does the above equate to, I want to get there as fast as I can with my car looking good, fast as in a straight line. You know the old saying "power is nothing without control"
Each to their own
Rob
Indeed each to their own so I draw no conclusion.
Modding is a journey and dependant on what your end game is, so a Track focussed car will be entirely different to a fast road car, budget and taste also have influence
For me I was lucky to purchase at the time a mechanically vastly improved car, with sufficient performance for my occasional road use so Appearance became my driver to put my stamp on it and make it unique.
I am in the process of a final change, might not meet with everyone's approval but my car my way, watch this space
Quote from: Bernie on December 28, 2020, 22:11I am in the process of a final change, might not meet with everyone's approval but my car my way, watch this space
Good for you!!
I bow to thát, regardless.
Quote from: Bernie on December 28, 2020, 22:11I am in the process of a final change, might not meet with everyone's approval but my car my way, watch this space
Tell me your not going to wrap in custard. Like an inverse B6.
I'm on the edge of my seat now.
Quote from: Ardent on December 28, 2020, 22:20Quote from: Bernie on December 28, 2020, 22:11I am in the process of a final change, might not meet with everyone's approval but my car my way, watch this space
Tell me your not going to wrap in custard. Like an inverse B6.
I'm on the edge of my seat now.
At the body shop as we speak 😀
my vanilla mind is in melt down.
Vents in the front wings
My wing is bigger than your wing
Macdonalds - pizza hut - KFC decals
Atom esque space frame weight reduction
Grease lightning flames down the side
4 Cibies mounted to the style bar
two tone paint job
Quote from: Ardent on December 28, 2020, 23:00my vanilla mind is in melt down.
Vents in the front wings
My wing is bigger than your wing
Macdonalds - pizza hut - KFC decals
Atom esque space frame weight reduction
Grease lightning flames down the side
4 Cibies mounted to the style bar
two tone paint job
I'll give you a clue "Holy Grail" 😀
Quote from: Bernie on December 28, 2020, 23:04I'll give you a clue "Holy Grail" 😀
Badass exhaust???
(https://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2015/10/Monty-Python-and-The-Holy-Grail-e1444865124235-530x278.jpg)
Quote from: Petrus on December 28, 2020, 23:32Quote from: Bernie on December 28, 2020, 23:04I'll give you a clue "Holy Grail" 😀
Badass exhaust???
(https://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2015/10/Monty-Python-and-The-Holy-Grail-e1444865124235-530x278.jpg)
All will be revealed in good time 😀
I'll give you a clue "Holy Grail" 😀
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this i got to see, yes i understand your car and do what you want its such a good looking 2 i would be nervous.
now we wait to see the Holy Grail
Quote from: Bernie on December 28, 2020, 22:11Modding is a journey and dependant on what your end game is, so a Track focussed car will be entirely different to a fast road car, budget and taste also have influence
Best answer so far.
Building a nice touring sports car where comfort and adequate performance is important is going to have very different priorities compared to building a track car. Our MR2 is driven mostly on back roads where the driving can be pretty aggressive, so power and handling are much more important than appearance. Driver preference comes into it as well. My wife ranks power slightly above handling, and I prefer handling slightly over power.
But as she puts it, you can't see the outside from the drivers seat, so who cares much about appearance. (Her previous daily driver was a Mazdaspeed 3 which she thought was seriously ugly)
Quote from: Beachbum957 on December 31, 2020, 13:58Quote from: Bernie on December 28, 2020, 22:11My wife ranks power slightly above handling, and I prefer handling slightly over power.
My one gf prefers power over handling too. The other two prefer perfect handling.
Me, I am leaning increasing towards the latter as age moves on ;-)