Ok heres the plan following discussion here m http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6076 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6076) m
I'm starting a new thread for discussion about this day in particular.
I'm in Welwyn Hertfordshire, directions will be PMed to those attending nearer the time.
Start Time will be 9am for breakfast.
You will need;
1. Gaskets! to replace those between the cat and the manifold (you need 2)
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/GSBgaskets1.jpg)
Part number is T90917-06065
2. Donation to club funds. No need to go nuts but a small donation would be appreciated.
3. Beer, Self explanatory, for yours truly to consume on the Sunday when snoozing bruised and bleeding from the day before :-) :-) :-)
4. Penetrating oil. To loosen those nasty studs and bolts. Please douse the 02 sensor threads, manifold and manifold/cat studs liberally the week before.
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/2003/Nov/ppe/image004.jpg)
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/2003/Nov/ppe/image006.jpg)
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/2003/Nov/ppe/image008.jpg)
Heatshields don't have to be off when you arrive, but if your taking them off the week before anyway you may as well leave it off, it will save time ion the day.
With regards to difference on post 03 cars.
there are 2.
1. The bracket that attaches teh manifold to the block now has 4 bolts rather than 2.
2. On 03 and later the revised suspension braces obstruct access to this bracket. You can't get teh breaker bar in. The way around this is to remove the manifold from the bracket rather than teh bracket from teh engine block.
So it doesn't really cause a problem, it just takes a little longer as getting to teh manifold to bracket bolts is a little more of a pain.
Kanjunkie started this so he is obviously on the list. Generally speaking we won't get more than 8 or 9 max done in a day.
So post quick if you want in.
Attendee list;
1. Kanjunkie
2. Comer
3. Roadsterboy
4. Mr 2
5. Roger
6. Simon C
7. MrsMR2
8. Darth Paul
9. Ernie Ball
Reserve List
1. Jono & Emma
2. Mr Barney (Not reserv, hold place on next run)
3. Doony
4. Richbay
5. Leggy
Count me in. I know where to go and I'll have the heatshield off (for a respray).
Cheers Mark, any particular beer? s:D :D s:D
Hi Mark,
Cound me in please. If there's anything else you would like bringing then just give me a shout.
Cheers.
Count me in too! s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Likewise - if there's anything you'd like me to bring tool-wise let me know too!
Will we need any other parts? Studs / bolts, etc..., in case anything snaps?
And as Comer (Michael) said - any preference on Beer??? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
By the way, thanks again Mark for arranging this de-cat meet! s8) 8) s8)
If I bring some food goodies with me, can I pop by?
Liz, always welcome with or without food s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
beer, as long as it's lager, not australian, you can't go far wrong.
Stella, Kronenburg, bud, carlsberg, Coors, e.t c will be fine :-) :-) :-)
Mark, I've decided to fall off the fence! Please add me in.
I am still worried about not being able to release one of the O2 sensors, or more importantly any damage that might be done in attempting it.
My only suggestions are
1. Doing it when the manifold comes off the car, or
2. Would the sensor be damaged if we gutted with it in place?
Your thoughts would be appreciated, together with any fall back plans if it all goes horribly wrong.
roger
Yes please!
best bet is do it off the car where we can a good grip onit. As long as we can get one out we can get teh manifold off.
Cutting with it in place is a no no, the sensor will be destroyed.
If sean can assist I'll get a spare manifold for teh day in case we get any issues.
Ok, after more agonising decision making, count me in please.
Thanks
Jason
Quote from: "markiii"best bet is do it off the car where we can a good grip onit. As long as we can get one out we can get the manifold off.
Cutting with it in place is a no no, the sensor will be destroyed.
If sean can assist I'll get a spare manifold for the day in case we get any issues.
Thanks Mark. The RH one comes off OK, so I can get the heat shield etc off. If we have a standby manifold that would be great.
By the way, I'll bring the PROPER beer, you know that warm brown stuff s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Bit of a fast post the one above, just wanted to get in! s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
I would just like to say that I too appreciate you giving up your drive, time and blood for the benefit of the less mechanically minded like me. s:) :) s:)
Simon
Mark
Just noticed Darth Paul was an early joiner on the other thread, but not on your list.
Thanks for all your work - look forward to Chris' home cooking again s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Roger
I'll try and pop in too on my way to my nightshift. I can pick up the armrests then s:? :? s:?
no probs
Yep, I'll be there mit bier.
tell you what Paul, how about one favour for another? Fancy making me a set of those speaker rings on teh day? since youdid such a good job on yours?
s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "markiii"tell you what Paul, how about one favour for another? Fancy making me a set of those speaker rings on the day? since youdid such a good job on yours?
s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Kein problem. We
are supposed to be speaking
German now, right? s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Thanks so much for organising this, Mark.
I'm going to try to book a ferry (coming from Dublin) so count me in.
A couple of questions:
1) Any reasonable place to buy/install car audio in the vicinity? Prices in Ireland are insane, so maybe I'll take advantage while I'm over there.
2) I'm a little concerned that the bolts on the manifold look fairly well rusted (my '2 was lying up on a farm for over a year before I bought it). Should I be buying a new set of bolts and, if so, any idea what I should be asking for?
Thanks again.
Ernie,
There are some good audio place aroud here but being down south prices could be better.
If your going to be in the country a few days it may be worth travelling to one if you want it fitted. If you only want to get good prices and are happy to fit it yourself, you can order cheaply onlne and have it delivered to me if that helps. You can then collect on the 11th.
Room for one more Markiii??? s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Jono
Based on uptake so far I think we are going to struggle to get through more than 9 in one day.
I am therefore going to start a reservce list and if anyone drops out I'll add a reserve in, if no one drops out teh reserve list will from teh basis of the next gutting meet, which may well be the beginning of July at thsi rate :-) :-) :-)
Ferry booked!
Really looking forward to it. I hope you'll all indulge my newbie questions (saves me having to ask them here).
Wow, that filled up fast!
Interested in the next one (July?) if it happens. I would like to be a reserve, but I am at a wedding reception that evening and I don't think it would go down well if I turned up covered in oil and minus several bits of skin.
OMG s:shock: :shock: s:shock: i don't log on for a couple of hours and the subject at hand goes mad, glad my names already on the list, BIG CHEERS Mark! guess you wont be buying any beer this year at this rate or is there something else thats your favourite tipple?
ROFL
I just broke the news to Chris that we are doing another in July, she took it quite well considering :-) :-) :-)
I have been known to be partial to a nice drop of red wine if you fancy being different s;-) ;-) s;-)
If anyone has a preference to July rather than June shout up as I won't object to a slightly more manageable number on the day.
9 really is the most we will get through.
Mark, do you want us to bring any tools with us??
nope tis in hand, I went shopping yesterday :-) :-) :-)
Damn, I can't believe I've managed to miss out on getting onto another pre-cat gutting meet s:cry: :cry: s:cry: s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "aaronjb"Damn, I can't believe I've managed to miss out on getting onto another pre-cat gutting meet s:cry: :cry: s:cry: s:) :) s:)
come along anyway Aaron, not far for you anyway
Quote from: "kanujunkie"Quote from: "aaronjb"Damn, I can't believe I've managed to miss out on getting onto another pre-cat gutting meet s:cry: :cry: s:cry: s:) :) s:)
come along anyway Aaron, not far for you anyway
I'm not sure Mark has space down his road for another '2.. s:lol: :lol: s:lol: But if he has, I shall (assuming I'm not oop north at the time) - Mark?
I'd even be happy to assist with the work s:) :) s:) Heck, I can even bring my own tools s;) ;) s;)
Does gutting the pre-cats change the noise from the exhaust?
I did a search but its hard to find the right search string so turned nothing up s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "bigun007"Does gutting the pre-cats change the noise from the exhaust?
I did a search but its hard to find the right search string so turned nothing up s:( :( s:(
speak to Liz, she keeps on going on about popping noises coming from behind s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "kanujunkie"Quote from: "bigun007"Does gutting the pre-cats change the noise from the exhaust?
I did a search but its hard to find the right search string so turned nothing up s:( :( s:(
speak to Liz, she keeps on going on about popping noises coming from behind s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Well seeing as i only have 1000 miles of warranty left i might get them done, do you reckon that'd interfere with a 3rd party warranty extension?
Quote from: "aaronjb"Quote from: "kanujunkie"Quote from: "aaronjb"Damn, I can't believe I've managed to miss out on getting onto another pre-cat gutting meet s:cry: :cry: s:cry: s:) :) s:)
come along anyway Aaron, not far for you anyway
I'm not sure Mark has space down his road for another '2.. s:lol: :lol: s:lol: But if he has, I shall (assuming I'm not oop north at the time) - Mark?
I'd even be happy to assist with the work s:) :) s:) Heck, I can even bring my own tools s;) ;) s;)
The more teh merrier though, f we don't get around to yours you may need to come back in July s;-) ;-) s;-)
how will they know?
after all they are supposed tofall out, and no toyot a dealer on the planet has ever heard of teh issue.
:-) :-) :-)
s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Quote from: "markiii"how will they know?
after all they are supposed tofall out, and no toyot a dealer on the planet has ever heard of the issue.
:-) :-) :-)
s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
LMAO - like your thinking s;) ;) s;)
Count me in for the July one time and money allowing!
What will happen to all the nasty bits of ceramic? Do we take them home (as lovely souvenirs), or will you dispose of them?
Also, do we need masks, eye goggles, crash helments, etc, etc?
Jason
I have goggles,
if you have dispoal face masks you may wish to bring them.
ceramic will go in the bin unless you wish to keep it.
Quote from: "mrsmr2"Also, do we need masks, eye goggles, crash helments, etc, etc?
large bags of cotton wool to wrap ourselves up in....... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Cool, I'll bring some goggles but don't have a mask.
I'll be so s:cry: :cry: s:cry: to see the pre-cats go. It'll be a wrench but you can keep them (after I've smashed them into millions of pieces, then jumped on them, etc).
Jason
That's what the beer will be for - numbing the pain of all the scratches.
Jason
Quote from: "markiii"The more the merrier though, f we don't get around to yours you may need to come back in July s;-) ;-) s;-)
s;) ;) s;) I'm sure after I've hung around/helped/watched/etc I'll not mind doing it myself s:) :) s:)
If this were on the Nissan I'd have no hesitations (after all, I've had the engine out of that, stripped, rebuilt, new tubs, reassembled.. etc), but it's the Toymota, and I've not started taking that apart yet s:D :D s:D
i seem to have replied to the wrong thread, does that mean i have missed out??? oh no. ' i dont bloody believe it'
Quote from: "richbay"i seem to have replied to the wrong thread, does that mean i have missed out??? oh no. ' i dont bloody believe it'
well get in early for the next one then! it'll fill up fast
Markii - Count me in for July buddy, that'll be grand!
I'd better get the penetrating oil out now if the meet is in July! s:D :D s:D
s8) 8) s8)
If there's another in july, I'd very much like too go, room providing of course s:) :) s:)
Just taken the heat shield off for the first round of Plusgas.
1. Can it stay off? Anybody run without it, all the O2 cables etc OK?
FOR MARKIII
2. I noticed which I hadn't before, that the LH O2 sensor is'nt fully seated, the washer actually moves with a finger touch....yet I cannot undo it. I am therefore 100% convinced its a crossed thread. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
So... should I complain to Toyota...I doubt I get much change there, probably say leave it and what do you want it out for anyway!! s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Is the spare manifold a possibility?? If we do manage to get it out and can't put it back in "properly" I would like to suggest the spare is put on, then I get this one sorted / rethreaded etc (and put it back into MR2roc stock - or wherever the spare came from).
Would be good to hear your suggestions. s8) 8) s8)
You can safely leave the heatshields off: Mine haven't been on my car since I gutted back in Jan.
Quote from: "roger"Just taken the heat shield off for the first round of Plusgas.
1. Can it stay off? Anybody run without it, all the O2 cables etc OK?
FOR MARKIII
2. I noticed which I hadn't before, that the LH O2 sensor is'nt fully seated, the washer actually moves with a finger touch....yet I cannot undo it. I am therefore 100% convinced its a crossed thread. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
So... should I complain to Toyota...I doubt I get much change there, probably say leave it and what do you want it out for anyway!! s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Is the spare manifold a possibility?? If we do manage to get it out and can't put it back in "properly" I would like to suggest the spare is put on, then I get this one sorted / rethreaded etc (and put it back into MR2roc stock - or wherever the spare came from).
Would be good to hear your suggestions. s8) 8) s8)
spare manifold will be on hand.
and that is exactly what we would normally do so no probs there.
Thanks chaps.
I'll let you beat me at golf now, Mark - you are a life saver s:D :D s:D
Looking forward to the meet-up next month.
One question: the bolts on my engine (heat shield especially) look badly rusted. Assuming I can get them off (let's hope so!), I'd like to replace them. Anyone know the specs for all of the various bolts that are involved in the procedure?
Thanks.
same for me Ernie, dont know what the size is but just as a thought why dont we get a bulk pack from screwfix of some stainless bolts and washers if we can
Quote from: "roger"Thanks chaps.
I'll let you beat me at golf now, Mark - you are a life saver s:D :D s:D
you've not seen my golf yet. If you play that badly they will kick you out of teh club s:-( :-( s:-(
Comer bought a job lot last year he should be able to tell you what size to get from screwfix.
Quote from: "markiii"Comer bought a job lot last year he should be able to tell you what size to get from screwfix.
Cheers Mark! s:D :D s:D
look what i found
http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3519&highlight=heatshield
and what about these
(http://www.screwfix.com/sfd/i/cat/81/p1745681_l.jpg)
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?ts=70372&id=92762
or these
(http://www.screwfix.com/sfd/i/cat/51/p1545551_l.jpg)
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?ts=70372&id=28834
with these
(http://www.screwfix.com/sfd/i/cat/77/p2396077_l.jpg)
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?ts=71013&id=54830
or these
(http://www.screwfix.com/sfd/i/cat/88/p1544588_l.jpg)
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?ts=71013&id=18383
Stu
I'll take a pair (certainly the longer top ones, bottom short not so important - but if you can... s8) 8) s8) ..), however I would prefer 8 edged bolts so you can get a socket to them.
I'm guessing they're the ones people would preffer so i'll get some, only thing is they're zinc plated rather than stainless, will this matter?
Quote from: "roger"however I would prefer 8 edged bolts so you can get a socket to them.
what like these 6 edged ones?
(http://www.screwfix.com/sfd/i/cat/50/p1977750_l.jpg)
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?ts=73304&id=63451
Quote from: "kanujunkie"I'm guessing they're the ones people would preffer so i'll get some, only thing is they're zinc plated rather than stainless, will this matter?
Stu, did you see my <edit>, pressed submit too soon!
IMO zinc plated are not that much better than stock, so I'll pass if thats the final decision. Thanks
Yes, 6 edged - I'm only an accountant, what do you expect me to get my numbers right s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Again, if s/s OK, zinc plated, no thanks.
the standard bolt one above is s/steel
Quote from: "roger"Yes, 6 edged - I'm only an accountant, what do you expect me to get my numbers right s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "kanujunkie"the standard bolt one above is s/steel
OK, thats for me, if its right for the others. I'll leave the bandwith to somebody else now s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Thanks for the legwork, kanujunkie.
I'd like a set if you're bringing them along.
Thanks again.
Quote from: "Ernie Ball"Thanks for the legwork, kanujunkie.
I'd like a set if you're bringing them along.
Thanks again.
you happy with the stainless, standard bolt head ones as well?
anyone else?
Yes please! Mine look shocking!
Simon
Quote from: "kanujunkie"you happy with the stainless, standard bolt head ones as well?
Yes, thank you.
30 Ordered, just need to find some suitable washers s:D :D s:D
I wouldn't say no to some stainless bolts either! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Cheers Stu s8) 8) s8)
I picked up the cat to manifold gaskets yesturday - almost starting to get excited! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
got 30 M8 x 20 bolts, now just to sort the washers out
Any chance of staking a claim for an early decat slot?
I've managed to double book Saturday and have to get down to Kent for the afternoon. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Thanks
Simon
Tenner says that Sod's Law makes one of your manifold studs snap now... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"Any chance of staking a claim for an early decat slot?
I've managed to double book Saturday and have to get down to Kent for the afternoon. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Thanks
Simon
ok remind me on teh day
Quote from: "ekona"Tenner says that Sod's Law makes one of your manifold studs snap now... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I'm soaking them in release spray every night! so fingers crossed!
S
Quote from: "kanujunkie"got 30 M8 x 20 bolts, now just to sort the washers out
I've got shedloads of the washers so I'll bring them along.
Marvelous and good timing, i was just about to walk out the door to B&Q's s:D :D s:D
Should I be spraying the penetrating oil on now?
a week before should be fine
Quote from: "Ernie Ball"Should I be spraying the penetrating oil on now?
a week or 2 before should be ok, possibly a bit early, i'm not doing mine till the 4th, but then i'm on the track on the 3rd and things are going to get a bit warm
Right, penetrating oil...
Does the daiper need removing to do this? s:? :? s:? The heatshield needs removing first? So I need an O2 sensor socket? Then it's just the bolts on the manifold, right? Blimey, I am such a numpty. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Quote from: "Darth Paul"Right, penetrating oil...
Does the daiper need removing to do this? s:? :? s:?
would make it easier
Quote from: "Darth Paul"The heatshield needs removing first? So I need an O2 sensor socket? Then it's just the bolts on the manifold, right? Blimey, I am such a numpty. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
you can remove the manifold first if you want but you dont need to remove the sensors, just disconect the wireing from the connectors furthur up the line and pass em thru the holes s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
no you can't
at keast one 02 needs removing in order to remove teh heatshield. the heatshield needs removing before the manifold can be removed.
Sorry, I don't want to seem cheeky either, but is there any chance I might be able to grab an early-ish slot too?
The girl friend reminded me yesterday that we're going to see Jimmy Car on that saturday night s8) 8) s8) and I may aswell not turn up if I'm going to be late. Apparantly! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
It wouldn't have to be done uber early as he's not on until 8pm (probably wouldn't have to leave til 5 ish), it would just be nice to get it done and then maybe I could help out, or something! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Perhaps the 'slots' could be determined upon geography – those with furthest to travel get the earliest slots? Mark?
Mark
Any requirements for ramps / trolley jack, or is it all done from the top?
the benefit of teh inspection pit, we do one at a time from underneath :-) :-) :-)
I have jacks. ramps e.t.c should we need them.
Phew, jacks we can do, ramps are a bit more tricky.
Jason
Quote from: "markiii"the benefit of the inspection pit, we do one at a time from underneath :-) :-) :-)
I have jacks. ramps e.t.c should we need them.
Excellent, thanks. Saves having to wrap them up s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "markiii"no you can't
at least one 02 needs removing in order to remove the heatshield. the heatshield needs removing before the manifold can be removed.
you're right, looks like you should be able to and its close, but they just dont quite make it over with the angle of the O2 sensors, oh well s:? :? s:?
This may sound silly but could I use WD40 for the studs? If not then could someone point me in the right direction as to what I need to buy for this gutting event? I already have an O2 sensor removal socket.
Mark, I've read that others are bringing booze, would you like me to bring some food or wine or anything?
Thanks for organising this and for the kind use of your garage, very much appreciated.
This will also be my first meet so it'll be great to finally meet some people from here! s:D :D s:D
beer or wine will be fine thanks :-) :-) :-)
wd40 doesn't help much in thsi instance, you need proper penetrating oil spray, Halfords or any local motorfactor should stock it.
Any chance of a place on the list for the July meet?
Would really appreciate some technical know how, I'm hopeless with a spanner! s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
I just was just looking through this thread (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6765&highlight=meter+metre) when I realised I own the sound meter that Sean had borrowed to measure exhaust sound levels (I used mine to set the speaker levels for my hi-fi/home cinema)!
I was wondering - would any one be interested if I bought it along - we could measure the sound difference before and after decatting and add to the list of exhaust volumes for some different setups... s:?: :?: s:?:
sounds liek a plan
yes please, i'm interested, not sure Marks neighbours are up for it but oh well s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I will be interested in the volume of mine, provided that I am on the road!
Yes very interested.
My current set-up (see below) is obviously "noisier" than stock, so a reading pre and post gut would be very interesting s8) 8) s8)
Then I shall bring it!
Maybe we could get some ear plugs for Marks neighbours? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Good luck with getting your P/S fixed Liz...
Roger, it will be interesting to see the difference between yours and mine. The only difference in set up is the exhaust. Mine is a TTE and yours in the H&S.
Will be cool to see(hear) the differences between them!
Simon
perhaps we should go down the road from Marks to do this, if i remember rightly theres a layby near the motorway, no one should mind there
there is yes,
s:!: :!: s:!: ***Just a reminder for all, you need to spray down those bolts with some penetrating oil/release spray in the next few days*** s:!: :!: s:!:
DOES ANYONE KNOW A TOYOTA SPECIALIST IN THE ESSEX / LONDON AREA THAT I COULD PAY TO REMOVE MY PRE-CATS FOR ME?
you could just come to the next meet, scheduled for July, but likely to early August now.
i probably be on holiday knowing my luck.
Quote from: "baz41182"i probably be on holiday knowing my luck.
well dont go then, let me go instead s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "baz41182"DOES ANYONE KNOW A TOYOTA SPECIALIST IN THE ESSEX / LONDON AREA THAT I COULD PAY TO REMOVE MY PRE-CATS FOR ME?
Try Westfield Motors at Rayleigh - 01268-783205 - they deal mainly with Toyota and are a good garage...
well i put my penetrating oil on yesterday and this morning had something that resembled a traction engine s:shock: :shock: s:shock: , the smoke was everywhere, i let it run for 10 minutes, whilst standing around with a fire extinguisher, wandering if the things going to burst into flames s:? :? s:? even after most of it had gone people were still flashing me as i drove down the road, so just a word of warning, be ready for this and give yourself a bit extra time to allow the smoke to dissapate, probably 20 - 25mins on tickover
Does the cessation of the smoke mean you've burned off all the penetrating oil?
Should we perhaps apply it and not drive the car for a day?
very possible, problem is, is i need the car every day between now and then s:? :? s:? i'll bring the spray along with me on the day as spray it up as soon as its cooled enough, i'll also try the bolts later as well and see if i can loosen the ones i can get to/see
Quote from: "kanujunkie"well i put my penetrating oil on yesterday and this morning had something that resembled a traction engine s:shock: :shock: s:shock: , the smoke was everywhere, i let it run for 10 minutes, whilst standing around with a fire extinguisher, wandering if the things going to burst into flames s:? :? s:? even after most of it had gone people were still flashing me as i drove down the road, so just a word of warning, be ready for this and give yourself a bit extra time to allow the smoke to dissapate, probably 20 - 25mins on tickover
Yup, done that with both penetrating, and WD40 (pre-H&S and pre-catgut). Never worried too much about it smoking lots s:) :) s:) Was worth it to make the cat gut easier.
Quote from: "phil4"Yup, done that with both penetrating, and WD40 (pre-H&S and pre-catgut). Never worried too much about it smoking lots s:) :) s:) Was worth it to make the cat gut easier.
wasn't too worried about the smoke, more about the risk of fire, i'm gonna respray em again tonight before i go to bed as i've re-arranged tomorrow and can now do everything by train, now that'll be a shock s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Did it lots, and never got any flames s:) :) s:)
Motor oil doesn't really want to burn in that way. If you ever do any major engine work (not that I've done any on the '2, but on other cars) then oil tends to get everywhere. It only takes a few minutes to burn off, smells terrible and smokes quite badly, but I've never had anything to worry about from flames, even with major cam cover leaks like on a friend's 309.
There was a study done by some TV investigation on car fires years ago (I can't remember which programme) which found that it was actually brake fluid that ignited on a hot manifold and not oil or petrol, which both needed a spark.
Ditto to that - I've had both oil and petrol leaks on cars, and none have exploded in flames yet s:) :) s:) Heck, the 300ZX was positively belching fuel straight onto the top of the engine at one point.. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
OK, just had a go at applying the penetrating oil. The bolts are all very badly rusted (this is Ireland, after all) to the point of almost crumbling.
How in the name of god's green earth do you get to the three on the exhaust if you don't have ramps or jackstands? It doesn't look like taking off the diaper will help (and I'd rather not anyway).
I guarantee that mine is going to give the most trouble on the day. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
you can do it from above if you take off teh heatshield
I Just took the heatshield off and managed to snap a few of the bolts.
Am I in trouble or can they be sorted? s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Simon
need a set of easy outs
OK, what are they?
[edit] don't worry, found them with a search. Poping out today to try and find some![/edit]
Simon
i can bring a set of easy outs on saturday, do we need anything else, tooling, sprays oils etc etc?
i've got the chocolate cake covered s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Stu,
Easy outs should do it they are the only thing I've not got at the mo
The better to apply that penetrating oil (and because I needed them anyway) I bought a 2 tonne jack and 2 jackstands today.
I was planning to buy a set of ramps (easier in the end) but, get this: the ones at Halford's (http://www.halfords.com/opd_product_details.asp?id=19538&type=0&cat=64) are approved for maximum wheel sizes of 185 x 14".
WTF?!
Anyway, tomorrow will be the second application of the penetrating oil.
Looking forward to the meetup!
Quote from: "markiii"Stu,
Easy outs should do it they are the only thing I've not got at the mo
i'll grab some then and bring em along
I can't get hold of an O2 sensor socket. I naively assumed Halfords/local motor stores would carry one, but they don't. I've got the penetrating oil but have no way of removing the sensors. s:( :( s:(
So I'll have a go at ordering one from t'internet, but I doubt very much that I'll have it by the weekend. So I'm going to let my place go this time, and make sure I'm better prepared next time.
Mark, the speaker rings WILL happen! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
However, I'm in Crete the first two weeks of August... s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "Darth Paul"I can't get hold of an O2 sensor socket. I naively assumed Halfords/local motor stores would carry one, but they don't. I've got the penetrating oil but have no way of removing the sensors. s:( :( s:(
Uh oh. Is this something I'm supposed to have bought? What is it? Where can I get one (or as many as needed)?
I've only got the stuff on the original list in the first post in the thread.
you only eed it if your going to remove the heatshield beforehand.
I have an o2 sensor tool for use on teh day.
Quote from: "markiii"you only eed it if your going to remove the heatshield beforehand.
Whew. Thanks for that.
Any preference in an Irish tipple?
Quote from: "markiii"you only eed it if your going to remove the heatshield beforehand.
I have an o2 sensor tool for use on the day.
Don't you need to remove the heatshield to get to the bolts underneath? s:? :? s:?
depends, you can get to them from below but it means getting under teh car and spraying upwards. It's doable though
Yeah, its doable from underneath (at least I hope I got all of them). That's what I had to do in the end when i couldn't remove the last bolt on the heat shield (after 2 hours of trying!!). Also, I have begun to round the remaining bolt. My ratchet can still grip it but don't know how many more goes I can have before the bolt becomes completely useless. Any one have any tips?
I'm going to try and spray the remaining bolt every day in the hope that it will loosen.
Cheers
Quote from: "Darth Paul"Quote from: "markiii"you only eed it if your going to remove the heatshield beforehand.
I have an o2 sensor tool for use on the day.
Don't you need to remove the heatshield to get to the bolts underneath? s:? :? s:?
I managed with a spanner. You have to remove one sensor to get the heatshield off. Take the mounting bolts off, lift up and use a standard open ended spanner to take the O2 sensor out. Trying to recall the metric size; Mark s:?: :?: s:?:
22mm
genst PMS with teh address are going out today.
Just a reminder kick off is 9am for Breakfast, I'd rather people be early than late.
Quote from: "markiii"22mm
I thought as much s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Gaskets from Mr T - done
Heatshield off - done
Manifold / Cat studs soaked in pentrating oil - done
Beer - done s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Mark
Considering its "early" Saturday, would you recommend A405/A414 from M25 through Chiswell Green across to A1, or stick to M25 until reach A1.
Last time I came I did latter because it was rush hour and I fancied staying on "better" roads, but I am wondering about the more direct route?
Thanks
Roger
Socket set, O2 socket and breaker bar at the ready s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Wait till you see my ex-BR orange overalls - enough to give any Saturday morning a lift. s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
M25 should be fine at that time on a saturday
I'd go home the back way though so you can enijoy the new exhaust note :-) :-) :-)
Quote from: "markiii"depends, you can get to them from above but it means getting under the car and spraying upwards. It's doable though
Right-ho! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: I'll be there then. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "markiii"Just a reminder kick off is 9am for Breakfast, I'd rather people be early than late.
6am at yours then Mark? s;) ;) s;)
No chance of being able to do my CATs anyhow now, as I didn't get chance to order the gaskets etc, and I'm up in Sheffield now.. But I'll still come along to lend a hand/laugh when people slice themselves open/etc if that's alright with you Mark?
Hmm.. I'll start another thread about Toymota dealers in Sheffield elsewhere s;) ;) s;)
I have 1 spare set of gaskets so if we get time we can have a g.
Cool - cheers Mark s:) :) s:) I'll see if I can't get a set while I'm up here anyhow, since even if we don't do them on Saturday, I might be tempted to have a whack at it the following weekend myself s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "aaronjb"and I'm up in Sheffield now..
Aaron, so you're coming from Sheffield? Convoy? I'm coming from Doncaster.
Quote from: "roger"Wait till you see my ex-BR orange overalls - enough to give any Saturday morning a lift. s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
I will be there with my new camera for official pictures!
Quote from: "Darth Paul"Aaron, so you're coming from Sheffield? Convoy? I'm coming from Doncaster.
Nope, I'll be coming from Slough s:) :) s:) I'm driving back home on the Friday night (otherwise I'll not get chance to wash enough clothes for next week up here again s;) ;) s;) ).. Otherwise I'd have taken you up on that offer s:) :) s:)
Got the car jacked up, diaper off and was able to spray all of the bolts. Those photos were amazingly helpful. But everything looks so much smaller and closer together in real life. s:? :? s:?
Got one of the two bolts I tried on the cover to move straight away. The other will probably have to wait for the penetrating oil to do its thing. But I'm optimistic I might not break any of them off on the day. s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Quote from: "Liz"Quote from: "roger"Wait till you see my ex-BR orange overalls - enough to give any Saturday morning a lift. s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
I will be there with my new camera for official pictures!
So will I later on. Got a Canon Ixus 700 last week but took it on the boys weekend to Poland so it is already branding a few scratches s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "Comer"Gaskets from Mr T - done
Heatshield off - done
Manifold / Cat studs soaked in pentrating oil - done
Beer - done s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
One essential item missing matey. The leopard skin thong for Liz's photoshoot s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Comer"Gaskets from Mr T - done
Heatshield off - done
Manifold / Cat studs soaked in pentrating oil - done
Beer - done s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Dont forget those washers mate!
Quote from: "heathstimpson"One essential item missing matey. The leopard skin thong for Liz's photoshoot s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
now that'll be a sight to behold??!! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock: , feeling faint already!
Doesn't Penetrating Oil smell nice? s:D :D s:D
Daiper dropped at the back, head in the engine. Think I got all the buggers from below, and above. Picking gaskets up Wednesday. Will put suede gardening gloves in the car to protect my hands whilst gutting. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "heathstimpson"Quote from: "Comer"Gaskets from Mr T - done
Heatshield off - done
Manifold / Cat studs soaked in pentrating oil - done
Beer - done s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
One essential item missing matey. The leopard skin thong for Liz's photoshoot s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I thought you'd borrowed it Heath for showing your egg chasing team mates s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Thanks for the reminder about the washers, I'll put them in my car tonight.
Quote from: "Comer"Quote from: "heathstimpson"Quote from: "Comer"Gaskets from Mr T - done
Heatshield off - done
Manifold / Cat studs soaked in pentrating oil - done
Beer - done s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
One essential item missing matey. The leopard skin thong for Liz's photoshoot s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I thought you'd borrowed it Heath for showing your egg chasing team mates s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Thanks for the reminder about the washers, I'll put them in my car tonight.
Just bought one in Poland the weekend on our engineers tour for one of the blokes to wear. The girls went wild (hey Liz s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )
Can I pop along for a bit too? I'll be ever so quiet, and I'll even stand at the back and everything... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Would be good to meet some new faces.
Got a question (entirely out of idle curiosity):
I'll be driving to the meet-up with my Irish reg car and my Irish license.
I would, of course, never knowingly break the speed limit. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
But if I were to run afoul of the UK's finest, what exactly would I risk?
sod all as far as I'm aware
Quote from: "Ernie Ball"Got a question (entirely out of idle curiosity):
I'll be driving to the meet-up with my Irish reg car and my Irish license.
I would, of course, never knowingly break the speed limit. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
But if I were to run afoul of the UK's finest, what exactly would I risk?
The UK are discussing now how they get hold of foreign plate information for camera captures. At present, as Mark says, you are home free as far as they are concerned.
Might be a bit different though if you are caught by a "proper" policeman, but there are less of those around nowadays.
AFAIAA they do not do on the spot fines (as in France etc), so if you are caught you will probably get the verbals - unless its serious enough to lock you up and throw away the key s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Right, think I'm more or less ready for tomorrow now..
I have, to bring with me:
Tools (assorted) with one 22mm crows foot (couldn't find my decent Snap-On one though s:( :( s:( ), my biggest breaker bar and a can of PlusGas s;) ;) s;) (Not had chance to do mine yet, on the off chance we get to my car.. didn't think spraying it onto the red hot exhaust tonight would be a good plan s:lol: :lol: s:lol: )
Beer - budweiser (sorry, it was cheap s:lol: :lol: s:lol: )
Bottles of diet coke for non drinkers
What am I forgetting?
Oh yeah.. me! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Now I just have to remember to actually pick everything up in the morning..
My cars packed already.
Jason
Quote from: "mrsmr2"My cars packed already.
Showoff s:P :P s:P s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "mrsmr2"My cars packed already.
Jason
And mine!
CD changer filled with a change of CD's too for the trip s:) :) s:)
Nice to see some new faces this afternoon when I popped in s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "heathstimpson"Nice to see some new faces this afternoon when I popped in s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Likewise s:D :D s:D
Good to see some old ones again, too.
Ditto Heath & Dan on this, brilliant to meet some new faces. s:) :) s:)
A big thanks to Chris for a lovely breakfast and lunch and hope that she can find her cutlery, and don't mention my argument with the neighbours decorative log on the way out!! s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
I wonder if you are still working guys as none of you others have posted, is anyone else popping more?
Last thing I heard was a phonecall from Mark at 21:30, and they were still having trouble with Comer's car... s:( :( s:(
Oh dear, its getting late now, hope that they managed to get Ernie (Steve's) car done. s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "Liz"Oh dear, its getting late now, hope that they managed to get Ernie (Steve's) car done. s:? :? s:?
we did, but put it this way, it's 01:30 and i've just walked in the door!, Steve's was the preverviable disaster and we ended up gutting it on the engine! took 5-6hrs approx with a lot curseing, swearing and scratching of heads s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "ekona"Last thing I heard was a phonecall from Mark at 21:30, and they were still having trouble with Comer's car... s:( :( s:(
no, that was Steve's at that point, 2hrs in! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Yep and Aaron's just left, and I'm going to bed.
Steve's was an absolute git, same issue as Comers but even less accessible.
Thanks to Aaron and Stu for sticking around to the bitter end, and for Stu doing the very unpleasant task of gutting the precats from underneath.
photos of the head to toe condom he wore while doing it will no doubt be up for all to see soon.
Mental note allowing for problems like we had today I think 6 is a more manageable number in future.
Good to see you all.
Quote from: "Liz"A big thanks to Chris for a lovely breakfast and lunch and hope that she can find her cutlery, and don't mention my argument with the neighbours decorative log on the way out!! s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Don't tell me I missed out on Chris's lovely cooking s:? :? s:? Shoul have got up a little earlier from nightshift s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "markiii"Yep and Aaron's just left, and I'm going to bed.
Steve's was an absolute git, same issue as Comers but even less accessible.
Thanks to Aaron and Stu for sticking around to the bitter end, and for Stu doing the very unpleasant task of gutting the precats from underneath.
photos of the head to toe condom he wore while doing it will no doubt be up for all to see soon.
Mental note allowing for problems like we had today I think 6 is a more manageable number in future.
Good to see you all.
What a nightmare s:shock: :shock: s:shock: Look forward to seeing the pictures of the human condom s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "markiii"photos of the head to toe condom he wore while doing it will no doubt be up for all to see soon.
oh great you had to tell em that, cat vomit heat shield and now i've taken to wearing human sized condoms s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Big thanks though Mark and Chris for putting up with us, makeing us feel welcome and for feeding us at B,L & D, you 2 are total stars in my book, i vote we should have more meets are Marks house s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
cheers guys s:D :D s:D
And I've just walked in too.. to echo everyone else - a big thanks to Mark & Chris for hosting it all and catering! And excellent food too s:) :) s:)
Good to meet all of you today s:) :) s:) Even if I didn't know who Heath was until after he'd gone s;) ;) s;) Everyone seemed to recognise me though, I can't think how s;) ;) s;)
Stu - I'm glad you're getting all the photographic flak, and I'm glad there aren't pictures of me getting covered in water from the hose and the bucket while underneath Steve's car! Are there? s:D :D s:D
I'm now walking rather like I'm crippled, and my feet are absolute agony s:lol: :lol: s:lol: Ah well s:) :) s:)
Most of you looked nothing like I imagined, by the way.. most odd s:) :) s:)
Thank you Mark and Chris. Fantastic hospitality and a nice bunch of people to meet as well.
Sorry to hear about the troubles after I had left (I made it back in time for my anniversary meal).
Mark, you are a star. [now where's the we're not worthy smilie?]
Jason
Glad too see I was not the hardest one of the day after all!
Thanks to Mark and Chris for the day and the food, I feel much more at ease with the car without its small timebombs.
Good to see new and old faces again, what happened to the orange heatshield in the end?
Simon
A HUGE thank you to Mark and Chris for their excellent hospitality and a massive thank you to everyone else. So, mine doesn't get the 'Pain in the Arse' award for the day then? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
It was great to finally meet people on this forum, although I have to admit it won't do my wallet any good as all your cars looked great!!
Looking forward to seeing a pic of King Kongs condom *ahem* I mean protective sheaf!
Quote from: "roadsterboy"So, mine doesn't get the 'Pain in the Arse' award for the day then? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
no, not even close Javier s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "roadsterboy"Looking forward to seeing a pic of King Kongs condom *ahem* I mean protective sheaf!
oh great yet another one, i hope Steve's camera is broken s:? :? s:?
My car's out of warranty next month, and since it looks like I'm going to have to have a go at removing them myself (Hertfordshire is just too far to travel) I'd really appreciate it if people could flag up any problems I'm likely to encounter, based on the experience gathered at the two gutting meets held so far.
I've got Grant's guide, and I've already removed my heatshield and O2 sensors to check on the pre-cats (they look fine), so I know these will come off easily. I'm going to start treating the manifold nuts with penetrating oil, and continue over the next few weeks. Are there any other precautions/things I can do to make life easier when it comes to the fateful day? The thing that most concerns me is the actual destroying of the cat material - is it obvious what has to come out?
Thanks for any advice s:D :D s:D
main problems encountered were
1)sheared heatshield bolts
2)1/2 ton cow manure and mud on nappies
3)bottom of manifold bolts being tighter than a gnats chuff
4)engine block/manifold nuts corroding and not releasing at all causeing rounded nuts
5)bruised,cut and burnt knuckles s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
and yes it is obvious what has to come out, the white honeycombe material, best tool for removal is a long masonary drill bit in a hammer drill and a long chisel
An image from yesterday's meet:
(http://freespace.virgin.net/jason.r.hunt/DSC00428.JPG)
My thanks as well to Mark, all the boys, and Chris as well for the fabulous breakfast and lunch.
Well I am officially the first gut with an O2 sensor still in place, and guys, I am glad to say no CEL lights on the way home, and no apparant loss in performance. So it can be done if needed again. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "roger"Well I am officially the first gut with an O2 sensor still in place, and guys, I am glad to say no CEL lights on the way home, and no apparant loss in performance. So it can be done if needed again. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
That's good to know Roger - very glad to hear that s:) :) s:)
And yep, it was a day for firsts really - first gutting with a power drill, first gutting with an O2 in place, and first gutting with the manifold still on the car s:) :) s:)
Just happened to be browsing Machine Mart (looking for tool chests & tool sets like Mark's very snazzy sets s;) ;) s;) ) and happened across these:
m http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.as ... 2073&g=111 (http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=040214678&r=2073&g=111) m
I think a set of these (in the right size) might well have gotten those troublesome manifold studs & nuts out..
Chris and Mark, what can I say? Amazing hospitality. s:shock: :shock: s:shock: I think you humbled us all. Sorry to hear that it all went pear-shaped after I departed at 4:10pm. It actually took only two hours to get home, so I could have stayed a bit longer. Fantastic to put names to faces, though knowing me, I'll have forgotten them all by the nest meeeting. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
So who's the lucky person who ended up with my pencil case/scalpel and cutting mat?! I'll pay postage to get them back!
Anyway, A huge THANK YOU to Chris and Mark, and everyone else. Great day. And I'm sure my car is more responsive in 6th gear now...
Quote from: "aaronjb"Most of you looked nothing like I imagined, by the way.. most odd s:) :) s:)
Oh dear, your Elle Mcpherson fantasy got blown out then...
I am so sad that I missed the hose and bucket incident! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Who was listing Pauls items on ebay?
Quote from: "Darth Paul"So who's the lucky person who ended up with my pencil case/scalpel and cutting mat?! I'll pay postage to get them back!
*cough* DP, you should really check your PMs s;) ;) s;)
I have them.. I shall construct a ransom note using your own scalpel, and then post it to you along with something from your pencil case so you know I'm serious...
I jest s:lol: :lol: s:lol: I'm up in Sheffield the week after next (i.e. 20th-24th), so I can run them over to you one night unless you need them before then?
Quote from: "Liz"Oh dear, your Elle Mcpherson fantasy got blown out then...
Indeed..
Elle has nothing on you, Liz s;) ;) s;)
QuoteI am so sad that I missed the hose and bucket incident! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: I came out of Mark's pit looking rather like I'd had a large accident in the bathroom..
Still, it was a good day - good fun, too, it's been a while since I spent a whole day mechanicing, and it's always less worrying when it's someone elses car you're setting fire to s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "aaronjb"Quote from: "Darth Paul"So who's the lucky person who ended up with my pencil case/scalpel and cutting mat?! I'll pay postage to get them back!
*cough* DP, you should really check your PMs s;) ;) s;)
I have them.. I shall construct a ransom note using your own scalpel, and then post it to you along with something from your pencil case so you know I'm serious...
I jest s:lol: :lol: s:lol: I'm up in Sheffield the week after next (i.e. 20th-24th), so I can run them over to you one night unless you need them before then?
Sorry Paul, i left them by the steps after using them, realised they were still there about 20secs after you left, sorry s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Aaron being a gent, volunteered to drop them round to you after work s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "kanujunkie"main problems encountered were
3)bottom of manifold bolts being tighter than a gnats chuff
4)engine block/manifold nuts corroding and not releasing at all causeing rounded nuts
These are the ones that worry me - what does one do with rounded nuts?! I'm also concerned about one shearing off, as I wouldn't know how to remove it...
Mind you, it must be nice to meet people off here and put faces to names - everyone seem to be very helpful, friendly people.[/quote]
Quote from: "kanujunkie"Quote from: "aaronjb"Quote from: "Darth Paul"So who's the lucky person who ended up with my pencil case/scalpel and cutting mat?! I'll pay postage to get them back!
*cough* DP, you should really check your PMs s;) ;) s;)
I have them.. I shall construct a ransom note using your own scalpel, and then post it to you along with something from your pencil case so you know I'm serious...
I jest s:lol: :lol: s:lol: I'm up in Sheffield the week after next (i.e. 20th-24th), so I can run them over to you one night unless you need them before then?
Sorry Paul, i left them by the steps after using them, realised they were still there about 20secs after you left, sorry s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Aaron being a gent, volunteered to drop them round to you after work s:D :D s:D
No probs. I suddenly noticed the time – 4pm – and thought that I'd better get the heatshield and o2 sensors back on and bugger off. I was worried about traffic. I needen't have bothered – it only took two hours to get home. Must be those free-flowing exhaust gasses! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: So I totally forgot about my bits. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Sorry Paul you should not have turned up; we are all after that kit now s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "heathstimpson"Sorry Paul you should not have turned up; we are all after that kit now s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
Just got back to Dublin after a great time meeting everyone!
I am so grateful to Chris and Mark for their generous hospitality and to Mark and Stu and Aaron for breaking their brains and bodies on my car's manifold until all hours of the night and after a very long day.
Thanks so much to you all.
Car seemed fine on the way home. Maybe a tiny bit louder growl, so that's a plus.
And now, without further ado, here's Stu getting ready to dive in in his full-body condom s:lol: :lol: s:lol: :
(http://homepage.mac.com/bupkis/.Pictures/MR2/IMG_3187.JPG)
More pictures soon.
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Stu, you look gorgeous! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Anyone else notice that Stu seems to be a bit 'excited' there?
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
(Sorry Stu! s;) ;) s;) )
Well, he's in a condom... s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "aaronjb":lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Anyone else notice that Stu seems to be a bit 'excited' there?
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
(Sorry Stu! s;) ;) s;) )
Yes it was noticed s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: By Liz of course; I would not be looking s:? :? s:?
<<Holds hands up>>
I was home by then...nice look Stu, it will catch on s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
(http://homepage.mac.com/bupkis/.Pictures/MR2/IMG_3187.JPG)
(http://www.appekits.com.br/photogallery/Ficcao/SPEEDER%20BIKE%20,close.jpg)
Hummmmmm... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
ROFL
All I can say is that having spent yesterday morning clearing up teh garage, I cannot beleive how much water (thanks Aaron :-) :-) :-) ), and precat material was in teh pit.
Considering we had a half full bucket it was still everwhere.
Thank god fo a wet and dry vac, my garage now looks somewhat closer to it's former glory.
Steve,
I'm glad you got home ok with no leaks e.t.c, we couldn't really not get it done with you coming al teh way over from ireland.
Hi everyone.
I just like to add my thanks to Mark and Chris for their hospitality on Saturday, I managed to make it out for a meal on Sat night but I felt stuffed from what I ate and drank during the day! Very nice to meet some new faces and to meet people who talk about the MR2 as much as I can.
I think my car may be a contender for being the biggest PITA and partly due to my blonde tendencies. Not only did the manifold refuse to budge, I drove home and found that there was a leak in the exhaust system somewhere and I couldn't lock my doors once the car was parked in the garage. It turned out that the passenger door was still open so that was the end of prob 1 s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
But I suspected the leak was due to reusing the old gaskets because we didn't gut my pre cats so I managed to get someone at Kwik Fit to fir the new gaskets yesterday but he mentioned that there were 2 leaks and the main one is between the main cat and my H&S and he couldn't loosen the nuts without possibly snapping them s:? :? s:?
But I must thank Mark, Aaron and everyone who helped on my car, at one point it resembled an operating theatre scene from Casualty s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Ladies & Gents the officalresults of teh day are as follows;
Kanujunkie 31000 miles, cat condition perfect
Raodsterboy (mileage not recorded, Javier can you let me know) cat condition perfect
MR_2 (Mileage unknown, Adrian can you let me know) cat condition perfect
Simon C 58K (But 2nd engine) Cats ok but minor pitting
MRSMR2 16945 miles, cat condition perfect
Darth Paul, 18600 miles, cat condition perfect
Ernie Ball 16875 miles cat condition uncertain as we gutted from below, however what we could see was ok.
Roger, 5500 miles, cat condition perfect.
So all in all surprisingly good results this time around, but still worthwhile preventative maintenance.
Liz, Steve can you post the photos when you get a sec
Jason I beleive theres some Video somewhere?
Generally what is teh feedback regardign how teh car drives now?
Just after a bit of advice from the cat wrecking crew. I attempted a gutting operation myself. Was going OK, after much application of 3 in 1 Professional Penentrating spray I easily loosed the heatshield, manifold mounting brackets, manifold - engine block nuts and o2 sensors. That just left the 3 manifold to down pipe nuts. Absolute b$£tards. One I rounded so I thought what the hell and attcked it with mole grips, so now its totally bollo$ed. One I managed to loosen by hitting a ring spanner with a hammer. The middle one - absolutely no way was that one coming undone. Took the car to Mr T, they couldn't undo it either and siad that it had been put on wrong. All i can assume by that is that they mean that some moron had the air torque wrench set to max as I would have thought it hard to get the nut on upside down.
The car's booked into Mr T in about 2 weeks time but the job's gonna cost about £260 inc VAT and thats after I negotiated it down on the basis that it's partly a warranty issue because the nuts have been incorrectly torqued.
Is there any other way out of this? - I'm naturally a little reluctant to part with £260 just to get my manifold in a state where I can actually loosen the nuts but the car is a daily driver (wife) so I can't end up with being off road for any length of time.
Any suggestions?
suggestion number 1 is any good exhaust shop, theres no reason to pay main dealer prices for this.
second suggestion is locate a female torx socket, (If you manage it let me know where :-) :-) :-) ) thsi will alow you to removed the stud which is then easily replaced.
oh and make sure its hot when you try those nuts are all but impossible on a cold engine.
Mark
There will be a DVD soon - I'll post it to you when ready.
I didn't notice much change in the car on the way back home. Mind you, I had the roof down and was doing a brisk speed back on the motorway so all I could hear was the wind.
Performance - don't know. I'm still bedding in the brand new T1-Rs and most of my concentration is on them as they're a bit more twitchy that the RE040s.
Will feedback properly once tyres are bedded in and I've had a proper play.
Thanks again.
Jason
I've put all the pictures I have on a web page.
Go here:
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Ernie, good piccies brings back memories though I'm glad I wasn't caught up in the problems you lot had. Another successful mission Mark s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Great photos Steve, and you even managed to get both me and my car in one! Although you can only see my back, which is probably a good thing... s:( :( s:( s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Top action shots of Mark at work, too. s:D :D s:D
Nooooooooooooo, photos of me.. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
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So what's that to the left of your post if not a picture of you? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Simon
Heh yeah - but you can only see my head in that one, and a trick of the angles makes me look slightly less gargantuan..
Great photos Steve
A good reminder of the day.
Jason
Top piccies Steve. Now, when did I get THAT bald? s:? :? s:? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Ernie Ball"And now, without further ado, here's Stu getting ready to dive in in his full-body condom s:lol: :lol: s:lol: :
(http://homepage.mac.com/bupkis/.Pictures/MR2/IMG_3187.JPG)
i look more like the abominable snowman s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
me thinks the mrs wouldn't let me near her like this s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Quote from: "markiii"Generally what is the feedback regardign how the car drives now?
Drives great. Checked the oil this morning and none seems to have been consumed during the journey from Dublin to Herts and back. So that's a relief. Car sounds better as I mentioned. Not like the mega exhausts you all have, s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown: but a bit growlier than it was.
How would I know if there's an exhaust leak other than running my hand along the manifold or the CEL coming on? Not that I think I have one (I don't). Just for future reference.
Quote from: "Darth Paul"Now, when did I get THAT bald? s:? :? s:? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Embrace it, Paul. You have nothing to lose but your vanity. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Ernie Ball"How would I know if there's an exhaust leak other than running my hand along the manifold or the CEL coming on? Not that I think I have one (I don't). Just for future reference.
A leak high up in the exhaust (near the block) will sound like a ticking noise - hard to locate from inside the car, but easy to tell if you listen to the engine directly..
A leak further along the exhaust will just sound like a blow - it'll just sound.. well, growlier.. heh s:) :) s:)
I like these wheels! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Is this ekona's car?
Very nice!
(http://img168.echo.cx/img168/5893/img31838sl.jpg)
Yup, that's my baby all right! s8) 8) s8)
Word of warning to all though: Where it says on chrome wheels 'For Show & Summer Use Only', please listen to it. I didn't, and now I'm going to have to fork out to get the wheels re-coated as all the chrome has started to come off. s:( :( s:(
Mark,
One of the two studs that fell somewhere into my engine bay has re emerged, behind the numberplate! No sign of the other one.
I can either post it to you or let it sit in my glove box until we meet again.
Simon
Long shot I know but did anyone notice whether all of my tyre valve caps were on my car on Saturday, just been out to check the pressures and it appears Southends' finest may of got their grubby little mitts on 3 of them... s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: , just wanted to narrow down when it happened so I can check the cctv of the car park, they obviously weren't looking at mine today!
I have my suspects and I will looking at the tyre valves on their bikes very carefully in the future.. (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_2_107.gif)
Few pictures:
I don't know who these belong to as I had it written on the paper I left at Marks!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/Turdbabe/b911c860.jpg) (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/Turdbabe/2005_0613catgut0005.jpg) (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/Turdbabe/2005_0613catgut0002.jpg)
Simon shows off his manifold!
Funny you should say that Liz, as I did have another quick look at your valve caps on Saturday, and they were definately all accounted for then...
Sorry to hear about that, thieving little gits! s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Quote from: "ekona"Funny you should say that Liz, as I did have another quick look at your valve caps on Saturday, and they were definately all accounted for then...
Yes but that was before I turned up in the afternoon s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Thanks guys, think I know where it was parked when they went missing now! s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Mark, my mileage on the day was 19120.
Great pics Steve s:D :D s:D That one of Stu in the 'body glove' is a corker! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I think mine sounds ever so slightly more 'grunty' but not much more. Still nice to know that my pre-cats aren't going to blow the engine.
Quote from: "roadsterboy"Great pics Steve s:D :D s:D That one of Stu in the 'body glove' is a corker! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
yeah go on, laugh it up s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Guys,
This afternoon Mark insisted I stayed around the house for around 3pm - as I had planned to go to the gym - he suggested I go later.
My initial thoughts were - not more car parts arriving that Mark needs a hand with unloading and storing.
No - it was a beautiful bouquet of orange and lemon flowers set in a bright green pot. They are now pride of place in the bedroom - as the conservatory will kill them in one day.
To learn that they are a way of saying thanks from all that turned up last saturday to mess with their cars (my words mess!) was really good of you. As we are still working our way through all the cakes and drink - that was sufficient -
I really appreciate that you took the time because feeding you all was really easy.
You are all welcome anytime - just bring a big smile - cause I am
many thanks enjoy the sunshine and I hope you are not cleaning or working on the MR2's
Christina
Chris
It was really amazing to be looked after the way we were.
Pity I don't have any more pre-cats to gut s:( :( s:(
Thanks
Jason
Quote from: "mrsmr2"...Pity I don't have any more pre-cats to gut s:( :( s:(
If you fancied driving to Chesterfield, you'd be more than welcome to attack mine in return for a few beers!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Chris (Markiiis' Mrs)"Guys,
many thanks enjoy the sunshine and I hope you are not cleaning or working on the MR2's
Christina
Glad you enjoyed them, and of course we wouldn't be working on our cars on a day like this. s:oops: :oops: s:oops: (hides sponge behind back)
Simon
Christina, you're very welcome!
Again, a very big thank you for both yours and Mark's most excellent hospitality. Also, cheers to Mark for sorting the pre-cats out. It was great to finally meet some peeps from this most excellent fountain of knowledge.
Hello!
Sorry to make such a late posting (went off to Dublin for my Girlfriends 30th), but I'd also like to say a huge thankyou to Mark and Chris for your excellent hospiltailty and for the meet; without which my pre-cats would still be intact s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
It was a most excellent day and it was great to finally meet some other club members.
My car has been fine ever since and definately has a meatier growl!
By the way Mark, my mileage was about 41500.
Sorry to run off so quickly after getting my pre-cats gutted, but I made it in time to see Jimmy Carr and he was ace! s8) 8) s8)
I (complete with dB meter s:wink: :wink: s:wink: ) should be going to JAE on the sunday, so i'll hopefully see some of you there...
Just had a quote to sort out the snapped heat shield bolt, £50, not too bad i guess, no one would straight weld due to the access, oh well. Needs to be done ASAP as the extra heat is marring the finnish on the TRD bars s:( :( s:(
From your above comment Stu I guess you are currently running without a heat shield? I ran without mine for quite a while and the finish on the TRD bar was totally unaffected - now I am producing far more heat and my refinished stock brace is fine as well.
Quote from: "Slacey"From your above comment Stu I guess you are currently running without a heat shield? I ran without mine for quite a while and the finish on the TRD bar was totally unaffected - now I am producing far more heat and my refinished stock brace is fine as well.
mine was re-powder coated a few months back and the coating was going slightly pinky in the heat, i've put the stock one back on and repolished the TRD bar back up but i've got to get the heatshield back on ASAP
You should've left it Stu: I'm sure the pink would've gone lovely with the colour you were going to have your heatshield...! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "ekona"You should've left it Stu: I'm sure the pink would've gone lovely with the colour you were going to have your heatshield...! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
got 2 words for you, and the second ones "off"
s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
only ment in jest
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
I call for an immediate and lifelong ban.
s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "ekona":shock:
I call for an immediate and lifelong ban.
s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
**sticks tongue out and blows raspberry**
Quote from: "ekona":shock:
I call for an immediate and lifelong ban.
s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
can't ban him, need to reserve that for people with pink/orange heatshields :-) :-) :-)
s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Perhaps he should wear this in the future:
(http://ekona.my-bulldog.com/pages/ekona_my-bulldog_com/pinkstu.jpg)
s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
That's fantastic!!!!!!
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
oh dear God, no s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Its your colour ducky!!
Quote from: "Liz"Its your colour ducky!!
i only ever wear it with a flower in my hair though, can't you tell
This could be interesting to the guys he works with s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
Quote from: "Vspec"This could be interesting to the guys he works with s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
you bloody dare s:? :? s:?
s:oops: :oops: s:oops: Can I ask if there will be another Pre-Cat gut Meet ? s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
there will, but when is teh question Im currently booking my social life in at teh end of september, so it may be october befoe I can fit one in.
I'm working on it though.
Quote from: "kanujunkie"Quote from: "Vspec"This could be interesting to the guys he works with s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
you bloody dare s:? :? s:?
he only did s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
**note to self, must kill Dan and Al at earliest oppotunity**
Lovely colour that heatshield – named CPO, wasn't it? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "RUSTY"Just after a bit of advice from the cat wrecking crew. I attempted a gutting operation myself. Was going OK, after much application of 3 in 1 Professional Penentrating spray I easily loosed the heatshield, manifold mounting brackets, manifold - engine block nuts and o2 sensors. That just left the 3 manifold to down pipe nuts. Absolute b$£tards. One I rounded so I thought what the hell and attcked it with mole grips, so now its totally bollo$ed. One I managed to loosen by hitting a ring spanner with a hammer. The middle one - absolutely no way was that one coming undone. Took the car to Mr T, they couldn't undo it either and siad that it had been put on wrong. All i can assume by that is that they mean that some moron had the air torque wrench set to max as I would have thought it hard to get the nut on upside down.
The car's booked into Mr T in about 2 weeks time but the job's gonna cost about £260 inc VAT and thats after I negotiated it down on the basis that it's partly a warranty issue because the nuts have been incorrectly torqued.
Is there any other way out of this? - I'm naturally a little reluctant to part with £260 just to get my manifold in a state where I can actually loosen the nuts but the car is a daily driver (wife) so I can't end up with being off road for any length of time.
Any suggestions?
The story goes on - the car's been into MR T today to have any knackered studs / nuts replaced so that I can then remove the manifold myself for decatting. Got a call earlier on saying that the manifold's a mess and would it be ok to nut and bolt the manifold onto the downpipe. At the end of the day it's going to have cost me £220 + VAT for them to shag the manifold and bodge it back together. I could probably have done that myself. I've given the goahead to nut and bolt it but I'm thinking a heft concession on the original price is now in order. What would you guys do - bear in mind that I had knackered one of the studs myself so it's probbaly hard to argue for no charge on the work.
Chaps.
I received a package late last week which had no identifying marks of origin :-) :-) :-) When opened it was found to contain a set of Irwin extractors for removing rounded off or rusted bolts.
Having pondered exhaustively if and where I had ordered these from and forgotten about, I mentioned it to Stu on Saturday and he told me where they had come from.
It would seem a gift from thiose of you who attended the gutting meet.
Since the flowers arrived for Chris I had been wondering if perhaps these had come from the same source, and it seems I was right.
Totally uneccessary as your all very welcome, but very much appreciated none the less. s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:oops: :oops: s:oops: . Hopefuly they won't be needed, however as another gutting meet is looking iminent for October I feel they may well come in handy. Lesson learned not to attempt 10 in one day next time.
Many thanks again
regards,
Mark.
You will have to try them out and see if they work as advertised!
Simon
You both deserve your pressies. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Darth Paul"You both deserve your pressies. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Second that, over and above the call of duty, Mark and Chris. That deserves something extra.
here, here, i resound the honoured gentlemans opinions
Yeah, what Stu said! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Seriously though - you both deserve your pressies, for all you help and generosity.
Many thanks! s8) 8) s8)