I am seeing a lot of tyre related posts recently. Whether it's because I'm actively looking to read up on tyres or it's just that time of year I've just been consuming a wealth of tyre knowledge over the last 3 days from new threads. A lot of good information out there.
Unfortunately there hasn't been too much information relevant to my specific needs.
My car is currently fitted with 16x9 16x7J wheels wearing 205/45R16 T-1Rs on the front and 225/40R16 T-1Rs on the back. I thought it would be a simple matter of looking online for these sizes but I cannot find a matching set from the same manufacturer and with the same pattern for these sizes.
In a bid to open up my search to other options I defer to your collective knowledge on this matter and see if I might be able to get away with a different width or profile combination.
Not interested in any high-performance rubber, really just focused on a next best alternative to Toyota's original recommended specifications which I suppose are road/summer tyres.
Suggestions anyone?
225 40 16 is a rare size. You'd be better with a 225 45 16. But if you're set on the sizes you mention then Falken do them.
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@JB21 , That's 2 hours 11 minutes since
@SuperArt asked the question! What took you so long?
Quote from: Joesson on December 6, 2021, 19:02@JB21 , That's 2 hours 11 minutes since @SuperArt asked the question! What took you so long?
Haha I did see it earlier but work got in the way of my reply 😁
Appreciated! If I were to move away from 225/40 R16 to a different profile (same width) would that adversely affect the drive in any way?
Sometimes having a little more sidewall can be beneficial for feel and comfort but that is dependent on a lot of other factors like side wall stiffness and the suspension.
Less sidewall can be nice as far as less sidewall flex but they will have less feel at the edge and it can snap like a rubber band with they let go making them less forgiving and can contribute to a harsh ride but this all depends on the car and the suspension.
9" ?! That's wide for the rear, never mind the front. Can you confirm?
Quote from: SuperArt on December 6, 2021, 16:43My car is currently fitted with 16x9 wheels
Really or typo?
Quote from: Ardent on December 6, 2021, 20:03Quote from: SuperArt on December 6, 2021, 16:43My car is currently fitted with 16x9 wheels
Really or typo?
Typo, fat fingers. 16x7J :D good catch! I'll leave the error in the first post for the sake of continuity.
Quote from: SuperArt on December 6, 2021, 19:25Appreciated! If I were to move away from 225/40 R16 to a different profile (same width) would that adversely affect the drive in any way?
For road not really. As mentioned it would improve ride comfort and be more progressive on the limit.
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I run 225/45/16 and 195/55/15 TR1
More than happy, road set up with the occasional trackday
Rob
Well since the standard rear width tyre is a 215 it would make sense to go to it.
I have aftermarket 7" on mine, & smaller than 195 on the front doesn't look good. (I'm standard 15" though)
Do some reading of tyre tests. It may be slightly different with a 16" front, possibly greater choice, but Hankook k125 came out best in tests. Falken used to be cheaper, but since Brexit, t'other way round. Both brands will be better than old Toyo.
With a car like ours there is plenty of grip with the standard sizes and it's always better to buy a better tire than a wider tire. 215s are the perfect size for the rear which opens you up to more options and keeps unsprung weight in check.
Quote from: SuperArt on December 6, 2021, 16:43I am seeing a lot of tyre related posts recently. Whether it's because I'm actively looking to read up on tyres or it's just that time of year I've just been consuming a wealth of tyre knowledge over the last 3 days from new threads. A lot of good information out there.
Unfortunately there hasn't been too much information relevant to my specific needs.
My car is currently fitted with 16x9 16x7J wheels wearing 205/45R16 T-1Rs on the front and 225/40R16 T-1Rs on the back. I thought it would be a simple matter of looking online for these sizes but I cannot find a matching set from the same manufacturer and with the same pattern for these sizes.
In a bid to open up my search to other options I defer to your collective knowledge on this matter and see if I might be able to get away with a different width or profile combination.
Not interested in any high-performance rubber, really just focused on a next best alternative to Toyota's original recommended specifications which I suppose are road/summer tyres.
Suggestions anyone?
I also run 16×7J all round. Currently have T1rs on the front (lots of tread but they're ancient) in 195, with Nankang NS20 rears in 215.
I've also been looking to replace all 4 tyres as the rears are nearly done and I'm sure I saw Ns20s in both 195 and 215 for 16s. Will need to check the profiles but I'm sure I remember thinking it was a viable option.
Subjective of course, but I actually prefer the nankangs for normal road use compared to the Toyos I previously had on the rear (225/40) - they were seriously sketchy in the wet.
I would go for 1955016 / 1954516 front and keep the same 2254016 or 2254516 rear
You should be fine with toyo or fallen and possibly uniroyal
Camskills or black circles are good source of information and pricing
I would agree with
@s12vea , you can put a 195 on a 7j. When I got mine it had 205 toyo on the front and I found the steering improved no end and eliminated tram lining when I went to 195 Michelin ps3.
This might have a bit to do with the stiffer tyre as well.
@SuperArt How does it handle with the 16s all round?
I was considering doing something similar with some secondhand 15in lightweight OZ wheels for the track but not sure if it would hinder more than help.
Quote from: s12vea on December 7, 2021, 12:28I would go for 1955016 / 1954516 front and keep the same 2254016 or 2254516 rear
You should be fine with toyo or fallen and possibly uniroyal
Camskills or black circles are good source of information and pricing
Which size on the front best preserves the speedo accuracy?
Quote from: Zspeed on December 7, 2021, 13:52I would agree with @s12vea , you can put a 195 on a 7j. When I got mine it had 205 toyo on the front and I found the steering improved no end and eliminated tram lining when I went to 195 Michelin ps3.
This might have a bit to do with the stiffer tyre as well.
@SuperArt How does it handle with the 16s all round?
I was considering doing something similar with some secondhand 15in lightweight OZ wheels for the track but not sure if it would hinder more than help.
16 all round isn't a problem, tyre sizing correctly is the key.
For the sizes I'm running I haven't once felt the car is over or under tyred. However I've yet to experience REALLY good tyres so I have nothing to compare against.
Compared with stock wheels and stock setup on Bridgestones which I had before swapping to TTE wheels and toyos , the car felt more responsive on stock setup that's for sure.
Again this is just gut feeling, I'm not able to quantify the difference or even adequately put into words what the difference is.
The main difference is weight, the tte wheels are not light. I also suspect toyos are not as good as bridgestones.
Quote from: SuperArt on December 7, 2021, 15:20Quote from: s12vea on December 7, 2021, 12:28I would go for 1955016 / 1954516 front and keep the same 2254016 or 2254516 rear
You should be fine with toyo or fallen and possibly uniroyal
Camskills or black circles are good source of information and pricing
Which size on the front best preserves the speedo accuracy?
No idea tbh
There must be a website you can check that.
Have your old tyres gone square from all that time parked up...
Quote from: SuperArt on December 7, 2021, 15:20Quote from: s12vea on December 7, 2021, 12:28I would go for 1955016 / 1954516 front and keep the same 2254016 or 2254516 rear
You should be fine with toyo or fallen and possibly uniroyal
Camskills or black circles are good source of information and pricing
Which size on the front best preserves the speedo accuracy?
Have a play on 'will they fit'
Quote from: s12vea on December 7, 2021, 15:38Quote from: SuperArt on December 7, 2021, 15:20Quote from: s12vea on December 7, 2021, 12:28I would go for 1955016 / 1954516 front and keep the same 2254016 or 2254516 rear
You should be fine with toyo or fallen and possibly uniroyal
Camskills or black circles are good source of information and pricing
Which size on the front best preserves the speedo accuracy?
No idea tbh
There must be a website you can check that.
Have your old tyres gone square from all that time parked up...
Haha not a chance. I get her turned over and moving every other week during "sorn season". Doing figure 8s in the front is like giving her some much needed excercise.
Old tyres are just old. These Toyos were shod three years ago and plenty of tread left. Still it'll soon be time to replace so I'm just planning ahead.
Quote from: SuperArt on December 7, 2021, 15:20Quote from: s12vea on December 7, 2021, 12:28I would go for 1955016 / 1954516 front and keep the same 2254016 or 2254516 rear
You should be fine with toyo or fallen and possibly uniroyal
Camskills or black circles are good source of information and pricing
Which size on the front best preserves the speedo accuracy?
Erm, none.
These cars are RWD, and that's where the speedo measurement is taken.
You could put roller skates on the front, wouldn't change anything.
We run Yokohama Fleva 701 on 16x7 wheels and 195/45-16 front and 205/45-16 rear, and the combination works very well. We had been running 215/40-16 rear previously, but that size isn't available in the US market except in some cheap imports. Options for 215/45-16 / 225/40-16, 225/45-16 are also very limited in our market when trying to match to an appropriate front size. The speedo is a bit off with the current rears, but not much.
I would 100% go down to a 195.
You've got enough weight on the front with those 16" wheels.
It was staring me in the face this whole time. According to the original brochure...
Grand Prix 7j x 16 for tyre size 205/45 R16 or 195/45 R16 front and 205/45 R16 rear axel
No idea why I went for the Toyo sizes I've got currently...
Guess I'm going with 195 and 205. I wonder how the car will respond going from 225 rear to 205.
Quote from: SuperArt on December 10, 2021, 02:06It was staring me in the face this whole time. According to the original brochure...
Grand Prix 7j x 16 for tyre size 205/45 R16 or 195/45 R16 front and 205/45 R16 rear axel
No idea why I went for the Toyo sizes I've got currently...
Guess I'm going with 195 and 205. I wonder how the car will respond going from 225 rear to 205.
I have 195/205 set up with Rainsport 5's, albeit FL wheels so 15 front 16 rear. Handles fine, obviously not as much outright grip vs my 205/225 set up but for the road perfectly acceptable and if anything the car feel more nimble at low speeds. I also run a 3rd set of wheels with 205 square and these handle great to.
Quote from: SuperArt on December 10, 2021, 02:06It was staring me in the face this whole time. According to the original brochure...
Grand Prix 7j x 16 for tyre size 205/45 R16 or 195/45 R16 front and 205/45 R16 rear axel
No idea why I went for the Toyo sizes I've got currently...
Guess I'm going with 195 and 205. I wonder how the car will respond going from 225 rear to 205.
I've never seen that ad' before. Toyota advocating a 205 all-square set-up...! Whereas unless for track use, most advice has been stick with width-stagger as it's safer.
Note though that that is a pfl advert, prior to the use of 215/45 rears on FL's as standard. Maybe the tyre size wasn't made in 1999/2000?
That's a very good point!
Another interesting point to consider is if those recommended sizes take into account the added performance from the TTE turbo pack or if they're just recommendation based on available tyre sizes at the time of publishing and PFL architecture before the engineering caught up to justify FL changes...
Availability of tyre size I reckon. At the end of day if tte reckon that set up there is no reason it won't be perfect for the car.
Smaller tyres = more fun
I would probably agree, but bigger tyres look more manly and they need all the help they can get in the masculinity stakes..
Quote from: SuperArt on December 10, 2021, 12:42That's a very good point!
Another interesting point to consider is if those recommended sizes take into account the added performance from the TTE turbo pack
No. Aesthetics pure & simple.
The car was built to a weight target of 1000kg. I think the o/e wheels are boring to look at, but at least they're light....very light for an o/e wheel. Anyone know the weight of the TTE 16's?
Tyre sizes can't be for aesthetics alone. I don't think they would recommend anything which compromises safety, but it is so strange to me they would recommend a square setup for turbo application.
Anyhow, not sure how much aesthetically different a 205 compared to a 215 or 225 width tyre can be, minimal I imagine so it can't be that.
Quote from: SuperArt on December 11, 2021, 00:41Tyre sizes can't be for aesthetics alone. I don't think they would recommend anything which compromises safety, but it is so strange to me they would recommend a square setup for turbo application.
Anyhow, not sure how much aesthetically different a 205 compared to a 215 or 225 width tyre can be, minimal I imagine so it can't be that.
Any size tyre they all look shite with 45 offset of the OE wheels.
Quote from: SuperArt on December 11, 2021, 00:41Tyre sizes can't be for aesthetics alone. I don't think they would recommend anything which compromises safety, but it is so strange to me they would recommend a square setup for turbo application.
Anyhow, not sure how much aesthetically different a 205 compared to a 215 or 225 width tyre can be, minimal I imagine so it can't be that.
The best handling 2 I've ever driven was on 205.
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Quote from: Gaz mr-s on December 10, 2021, 18:27The car was built to a weight target of 1000kg. I think the o/e wheels are boring to look at, but at least they're light....very light for an o/e wheel. Anyone know the weight of the TTE 16's?
Apparently TTE wheels were made by both Borbet and Artec, but specs are nearly impossible to find. I did find a listing from 2006 showing some wheel weights in the period, and none of the Borbet were very light.
Wheel Weights (https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/list-of-wheel-weights.14828/)
The 15" OEM wheels weights have always been listed at (front/rear) 14.6lb/15.2lb, and the FL OEM rear 16x7 has been weighted at 18.1 lbs. There are lightweight 16x7 wheels like Enkei at under 14lb, but most aftermarket 16x7 available today are closer to 18-20lbs.
Research did find an interesting claim in a Toyota forum from 2003 concerning the MR2.
"TRD recommends using 7x16J+45 all round with 205/45 & 215/45 for use with their Sportivo kit"
Quote from: Beachbum957 on December 11, 2021, 11:50Quote from: Gaz mr-s on December 10, 2021, 18:27The car was built to a weight target of 1000kg. I think the o/e wheels are boring to look at, but at least they're light....very light for an o/e wheel. Anyone know the weight of the TTE 16's?
Apparently TTE wheels were made by both Borbet and Artec, but specs are nearly impossible to find. I did find a listing from 2006 showing some wheel weights in the period, and none of the Borbet were very light.
Wheel Weights (https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/list-of-wheel-weights.14828/)
The 15" OEM wheels weights have always been listed at (front/rear) 14.6lb/15.2lb, and the FL OEM rear 16x7 has been weighted at 18.1 lbs. There are lightweight 16x7 wheels like Enkei at under 14lb, but most aftermarket 16x7 available today are closer to 18-20lbs.
Research did find an interesting claim in a Toyota forum from 2003 concerning the MR2.
"TRD recommends using 7x16J+45 all round with 205/45 & 215/45 for use with their Sportivo kit"
The tte weigh more than me ridding an elephant. Total style over substance.
Quote from: SuperArt on December 11, 2021, 00:41Tyre sizes can't be for aesthetics alone. I don't think they would recommend anything which compromises safety, but it is so strange to me they would recommend a square setup for turbo application.
Anyhow, not sure how much aesthetically different a 205 compared to a 215 or 225 width tyre can be, minimal I imagine so it can't be that.
Not tyre aesthetics, - wheels. The tyre width has little to do with on-road driving and power. The relatively modest power output of a turbo mk3 isn't going to overwhelm a decent 205 tyre.
The front-rear stagger is about lateral grip. Toyota used 2 sizes wider with pfl & 3 sizes with the FL.
But the Marketing departments can have a say. Porsche's did when the 911SC used 16" wheels up from 15" previously, I've read.
Cars nowadays with 20" wheels....that's marketing for sure.
@Gaz mr-s said :
Cars nowadays with 20" wheels....that's marketing for sure.Chelsea tractors, tractor wheels!
It use to be that larger wheels were the necessary evil to fit larger calipers for an advantage and then it became a looks thing for esthetics that got out of hand but is now the new norm.
Has anyone used 205 on fl rear 16s with any success?
We have been running Yokohama Fleva V701 in 195/45-16 front and 205/45-16 rear for a few months. They work very well and have no handling surprises. We had been running S-Drives with the same front and 215/40-16 rear, but the narrower 205 actually seems to stick better.