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The Workshop => Maintenance, Problems & Troubleshooting => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 13:57

Title: Chattering noise
Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 13:57
Chattering noise coming from the rear off-side (Wheel maybe)? Any ideas?
Mainly in second/third gear, At low speed, but can still slightly hear it at high.

Still hear it with the clutch in

Wheel bearing?
Drive shaft?
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Post by: edward.carter on December 22, 2005, 14:19
heatshield?  does it make noise when car stationary if you blip throttle?
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 15:07
i'v given the heatshields a good tug, but nothing, to be honest it doesn't sound like the heatshield. it sounds more like a clicking type scrapping noise.
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Post by: edward.carter on December 22, 2005, 15:08
sorry thats about where my knowledge end lol sure someone will be along any minute now   s:) :) s:)
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 15:14
To be honest it sounds like a wheel bearing, but i'd thought i'd check while i'm waiting for mr T to have a look at it.

Thanks Ed
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Post by: edward.carter on December 22, 2005, 15:16
i had wheel bearing go on my escort definately scraping noise that got louder (and faster) with increasing speed.  probably nothing more than that!
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 15:19
Called my warranty company and they said if it turns out to be a 'Worn' wheel bearing they will not cover it. (but if i continue to drive it) and it Breaks, they will cover the repair. How stupid is that ?
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Post by: edward.carter on December 22, 2005, 15:22
wear and tear isnt it.

if it is a wheel bearing and you do have to pay to replace it its a fairly simple job so wouldnt bother with mr t's prices just any local garage should do it
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 15:36
True, but if I leave it and risk the chance of an accident when it does break  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  
I can get it repaired for free plus all the other damage caused by the bearing breaking, for example a new wheel if it comes off. Then I can feel like the warranty is paying itself off.   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  


It's like these adverts for getting the chips on your windscreen fixed for free if your fully comp. they insurance company will fork the small bill to get a chip repaired so that they don't have to pay hundreds when the chip becomes a crack.
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Post by: edward.carter on December 22, 2005, 15:41
Quote from: "extremeMR2"True, but if I leave it and risk the chance of an accident when it does break  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  
I can get it repaired for free plus all the other damage caused by the bearing breaking, for example a new wheel if it comes off. Then I can feel like the warranty is paying itself off.   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

You are joking... Right   s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

my warranty is about to almost pay for itself in one easy move replacing the maf   s:D :D s:D
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Post by: kanujunkie on December 22, 2005, 20:46
if its a wheel bearing then there will most likely be some movement, jack the car and put in some axle stands, then grab hold of the wheel and see how much movement you get.

TBH the most likely is still the heatshields as the wheel bearing would make a noise in any gear, some are hard to reach from the top
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Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 21:11
Could it be something embedded in the tire (that's American for tyre), like a nail or piece of metal?
Title: Re: Chattering noise
Post by: Anonymous on December 22, 2005, 23:05
Quote from: "extremeMR2"Chattering noise coming from the rear off-side (Wheel maybe)? Any ideas?
Mainly in second/third gear, At low speed, but can still slightly hear it at high.

Still hear it with the clutch in

Wheel bearing?
Drive shaft?

The only chattering noise I get is the Mrs  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:   So I buy her something and it goes away  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: darrenjuggins on December 23, 2005, 13:46
Ed,

How much is the MAF sensor ? I thought it was about £100 ? am I wrong ?

Cheers

Darren
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Post by: edward.carter on December 23, 2005, 16:57
yep maf is £100 but diagnostic was £50 and warranty is only £190ish   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: darrenjuggins on December 23, 2005, 17:01
 s8) 8) s8)   Nice one - Glad to see you are getting value for money   s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: Anonymous on January 1, 2006, 20:59
An update on this, took the car the MR T (for the first time) 1.5hr's of diagnostics, and they don't know that it is.
They have identified the noise when drive the car, but when they get it on the ramp it disappears. The shields are all in place and it's not a wheel bearing. It's a complete mystery.

I hope it's something BIG ! ! !   s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

Then the warranty can sort it    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  
Fingers crossed
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Post by: edward.carter on January 1, 2006, 21:15
lol good luck  :-) :-) :-)
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Post by: Anonymous on January 5, 2006, 13:39
Son's of a *****. car is at MrT today, turns out it's something in the gear box Diff.  My Warranty company now say I knew about this before I took out the policy (took out 3weeks ago). which i didn't ! ! ! so they won't pay out if this is the case.

Should of left it a while before I took it in   s:evil: :evil: s:evil:  

This is going to be expensive. £600 just to strip the box to get a closer look.
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Post by: kanujunkie on January 5, 2006, 14:18
Quote from: "extremeMR2"Son's of a *****. car is at MrT today, turns out it's something in the gear box Diff.  My Warranty company now say I knew about this before I took out the policy (took out 3weeks ago). which i didn't ! ! ! so they won't pay out if this is the case.

thats a bit off  s:? :? s:?  have you tried calling the trading standards people?? they work wonders  s:) :) s:)
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Post by: Anonymous on January 5, 2006, 15:02
Thanks for the heads up.

Been battling it out with them, and they are going to send an engineer out once MrT has stripped the box, to have a look at the Fault and determine how long it has been this way.

My question is, wouldn't it be impossible to work out with certainty and proof if a fault occurred a couple of weeks ago, or a couple of months?

Does this mean I have a leg to stand on??
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Post by: kanujunkie on January 5, 2006, 19:28
short answer is YES they can

with a mixture of NDT (non destructive testing) techniques available to them and a good old fashioned mark 1 eyeball, you can sus things out quite easily, for instance if a part has been cracked for a while and has finally snapped off, the section thats just snapped off will be shinier than the rest of the metal.

as for haveing a leg to stand on, well yes you do as they wont be able to tell wether it was something that occured inside or outside the last few weeks, theyll just be able to say it occured recently or not and why it happened

hope that doesn't sound too contradictory to the previous coment  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: Liz on January 5, 2006, 20:38
Don't most warranty companies stipulate a time period from inception (sorry ate dictionary earlier) to when you can first make a claim, I know that the AA did, about a month. I am with Warrantyworks and I couldn't see anything in there about it though.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 5, 2006, 21:15
With Warranty Works you can make a claim anytime, so long as the problem was not apparent before you took the policy out.

As you can imagine, there must be loads of people out there who have taken warranty out because there was something wrong with their car,

The thing is, that's not the case with me, and my claim is completely genuine.
The fact that I have only recently bought the car, I have quotes for warranties for several months, the car has full service history and covered under 30,000 miles and now has a gearbox problem. I feel that I have a pretty good case!

If they do try to stiff me, I'm prepared to take them to the cleaners! ! !
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Post by: Anonymous on January 6, 2006, 20:57
Quote from: "extremeMR2"The thing is, that's not the case with me, and my claim is completely genuine.
The fact that I have only recently bought the car, I have quotes for warranties for several months, the car has full service history and covered under 30,000 miles and now has a gearbox problem. I feel that I have a pretty good case!

If they do try to stiff me, I'm prepared to take them to the cleaners! ! !

The insurance co. no doubt flags all claims automatically that are within a certain time from writing the policy. Some clerk probably said lets see where this guy (you) will go with it if I turn it down. I'm sure they will be good when you present your case.
You don't happen to have a limited slip differential, do you? Sometimes these can get a little sideways if incorrect oil is used for instance.
Good luck!
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Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2006, 23:07
Just a little update on this. got the work done ( Replacement of an End Bearing in the box)

Paid for it out my own pocket as well. The warranty company said that it was a worn bearing and not a broken one, so they are not paying. Nice of them don't you think! !

Got the car back last Monday and I had a service done on the weekend buy a different dealership, who so kindly pointed out that half the bolts on the gearbox where missing including one missing and one loses mounting bolt.

GO TEAM TOYOTA

I have been in touch with my local trading standards and i have written the a nice letter to the dealership letting them know of the situation   s:flame: :flame: s:flame:  

how can they get away with such Sh*t workmanship and it's not a though it's once i a blue moon, or if it was happening at the same dealership.

WHAT IS GOING ON?   s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
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Post by: fg on January 18, 2006, 08:49
For those of us local to you, will you name and shame?
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Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 09:16
Sims Toyota in Riverside.   s:evil: :evil: s:evil:  

If you are looking for a place to take your car i'd personally recomend Sturgess Nissan in Leicester  they are a Toyota dealer aswell. it lists them on MrT's website. They where very good. best Garage i'v ever been to. did a cracking job.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2006, 15:10
Hi think ive got the same problem ive taken it to my local dealer and they've said "gearbox bearings noisy" is this same problem??? If so if its not too cheeky how much did it cost, Need to know how much overtime to put in to pay for it......   s:roll: :roll: s:roll:  

thx
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Post by: Anonymous on February 1, 2006, 14:43
Quote from: "Andz"Hi think ive got the same problem ive taken it to my local dealer and they've said "gearbox bearings noisy" is this same problem??? If so if its not too cheeky how much did it cost, Need to know how much overtime to put in to pay for it......   s:roll: :roll: s:roll:  

thx

they quoted me £600 just to take the gear box out and strip it down to see what the problem was. then there is the bearing and puting it back together.

I did have Warranty that didn't pay out, so they did me a deal and i got it very cheap (same price they would of charged the warranty company.

I paid £560 in the end. but would of probable should of cost twice that.
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Post by: Anonymous on February 7, 2006, 10:26
Quote from: "extremeMR2"Just a little update on this. got the work done ( Replacement of an End Bearing in the box)

Paid for it out my own pocket as well. The warranty company said that it was a worn bearing and not a broken one, so they are not paying. Nice of them don't you think! !

Got the car back last Monday and I had a service done on the weekend buy a different dealership, who so kindly pointed out that half the bolts on the gearbox where missing including one missing and one loses mounting bolt.

GO TEAM TOYOTA

I have been in touch with my local trading standards and i have written the a nice letter to the dealership letting them know of the situation   s:flame: :flame: s:flame:  

how can they get away with such Sh*t workmanship and it's not a though it's once i a blue moon, or if it was happening at the same dealership.

WHAT IS GOING ON?   s:evil: :evil: s:evil:


Well I've got a meeting with the General Manager and the After Sales Manager tonight, to disuses the poor service I have received from them.

I aim going to try and aim for a refund on the labour costs only, and maybe ask for some goodwill (wheels refurbished) for the inconvenience and the safety risk.

I was hoping I could get some advise and some pointer from anyone here as to what I should be aiming for and what to remember.

Thanks
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Ryan
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Post by: Anonymous on February 9, 2006, 18:47
Thanks, looks like im gonna be busy for next couple of weeks. . .   s:( :( s:(  
Oh well the price you pay for drivin a car i suppose. Thanks again...

Andz.
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Post by: proeliator2001 on February 9, 2006, 19:29
Blimey, I'll steer well clear of Sims then!  They are the supplying dealer for mine as well but their prices seemed steep so you'd have at least hoped their grease monkeys could put bolts back in!  I'll be shopping around for my 2 year service at the end of the month then!
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Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2006, 16:20
Quote from: "proeliator2001"Blimey, I'll steer well clear of Sims then

I Urge you to please do that (A well as others thinking or are using Sims in Northampton.)

I've had nothing but trouble with them, and it was there best and most experienced Grease monkey who did the work on the car   s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  
god knows what the other 16 year old will do to it.

I would highly recommend you to use Sturgess in Leicester. They are by far the best Dealer I've ever been to (Excellent Service + Extremely Helpful). They also charged me £80 less than Sims wanted to change for the same service.
bit of a trek I know but well worth it.

Failing that Milton Keynes is close enough. Both have courtesy cars available. Plus a bit of shopping in MK Should pass the time nicely.   s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: heathstimpson on February 10, 2006, 19:42
Quote from: "extremeMR2"
Quote from: "proeliator2001"Blimey, I'll steer well clear of Sims then

I Urge you to please do that (A well as others thinking or are using Sims in Northampton.)

I've had nothing but trouble with them, and it was there best and most experienced Grease monkey who did the work on the car   s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  
god knows what the other 16 year old will do to it.

I would highly recommend you to use Sturgess in Leicester. They are by far the best Dealer I've ever been to (Excellent Service + Extremely Helpful). They also charged me £80 less than Sims wanted to change for the same service.
bit of a trek I know but well worth it.

Failing that Milton Keynes is close enough. Both have courtesy cars available. Plus a bit of shopping in MK Should pass the time nicely.   s8) 8) s8)
I have been pretty happy with the service received by Steven Eagells in MK  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: proeliator2001 on February 10, 2006, 22:02
I've got qoutes for the 20k service - I emailed 6 local dealers to find the best qoute.  So far, only 3 replied (and that doesnt include the local one - SIMS!).  Highest is £270 inc brake fluid change (Marshalls Peterborough) and the lowest is £203 at Richard Tebbut (Bedford).  Steven Eagells wants £274 for the service minus 10% forum discount so about £247.  

Anyone have experience of Richard Tebbuts?  44 quid cheaper is a fair whack really.
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Post by: heathstimpson on February 11, 2006, 05:52
Quote from: "proeliator2001"I've got qoutes for the 20k service - I emailed 6 local dealers to find the best qoute.  So far, only 3 replied (and that doesnt include the local one - SIMS!).  Highest is £270 inc brake fluid change (Marshalls Peterborough) and the lowest is £203 at Richard Tebbut (Bedford).  Steven Eagells wants £274 for the service minus 10% forum discount so about £247.  

Anyone have experience of Richard Tebbuts?  44 quid cheaper is a fair whack really.
I wasn't aware we got a discount at Steven Eagels   s:? :? s:?
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Post by: proeliator2001 on February 11, 2006, 08:48
I asked all the dealers if the MR2 Roadster owners club got a discount.  Below is copy of their email -

The cost of a 20.000 mile second annual service (a full service) is £214.20 inc parts labour and vat.The brake fluid change is addition to the service and is tested to identify if it requires changing.The cost of a brake fluid change inc vat is £60.00.
We do offer a 10% discount to MR2 owners club members.
Please let me know if you wish to book this in.
 
Senior service advisor
Martin Cox
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Post by: kanujunkie on February 11, 2006, 08:57
looks like Liz's hard work writing to all those dealers paid off
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Post by: philster_d on February 11, 2006, 15:11
Yay, Go! Liz!!!!
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Post by: heathstimpson on February 11, 2006, 19:10
Quote from: "philster_d"Yay, Go! Liz!!!!
Good on you Liz; will try it with the service next month  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 12:41
I got a 5% discount on part automaticaly, when i rang up Sturgess and when asked, they gave me another 5% off labour. not bad !

rang up Sims to get a price match (£80 Difference) they said there prices are fixed.
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Post by: heathstimpson on February 13, 2006, 15:19
Quote from: "extremeMR2"I got a 5% discount on part automaticaly, when i rang up Sturgess and when asked, they gave me another 5% off labour. not bad !

rang up Sims to get a price match (£80 Difference) they said there prices are fixed.
Yes fixed by themselves  s:? :? s:?  It should be countrywide fixed prices like Ford/Vauxhaul et al   s:shock: :shock: s:shock: