Essen Motorshow Report - discussion

mph · March 31, 2004, 15:07

Strange you should mention - I was talking with TTE earlier today.

In case you're wondering, I have a monthly call with them on behalf of the club to update each other on what's happening.

On the topic of the turbo, the conversation was stressed. It's still progressing, but they're stilling having to liase with TMC (Japan) regarding the necessary work involved in strengthening the chassis to TMC's liking. As such, technical work hasn't finished, and as the number & nature of the components is not finished, neither can the price be finally set. The target price and date still remains unchanged however, which I guess is why the response sounded a little stressed - more work in less time and all that.

My advise is to keep on saving those pennies for when it's complete. In the meantime, keep your eyes posted in the events forum - it looks like there could be a mini-meet of the four horsemen of the apocalype (mph, mr-s_turbo, daz400 & perry190)... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

markiii · March 31, 2004, 15:46

Quote from: "mph"In the meantime, keep your eyes posted in the events forum - it looks like there could be a mini-meet of the four horsemen of the apocalype (mph, mr-s_turbo, daz400 & perry190)... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

you mean they all drive like you s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Anonymous · March 31, 2004, 15:47

Yee Haaaa.

Provisionally Sunday 11th April. What's your diary say Martin?

I will revert to PM's after this so the topic stays on track for a change s:D

s:D

mph · March 31, 2004, 16:02

Event created.
m http://www.mr2roc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=42675#42675 m

crankshaft · April 26, 2004, 13:48

Hi all;

Is there any new news on the TTE Turbo ? - I know that they have not released a target price or a target release date, but does anyone have a gut feeling as to what these would be ??

Thanx

Crankshaft

markiii · April 26, 2004, 14:08

totally speculative pricing but I'm bufgeting for approx £4000

Martins in Singapore at the moment but I'm sure will update when he gets back.

He's in regular contact with TTE

Anonymous · April 26, 2004, 15:01

Quote from: "markiii"totally speculative pricing but I'm bufgeting for approx £4000

Didn't they say 4-6 thousand euros?
Which would mean you're very wisely budgeting for the top end.
I seriously hope it isn't that much, cos I wouldn't be able to go to that far s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Still, no-one's prob but my own, just praying TTE play nicely with the price!

Aah the waiting game, s'wonderful!

crankshaft · April 26, 2004, 15:04

Martin''s here in Singapore

You wanna go for a Tiger Beer or 2 ?? - I'm buying !

Crankshaft

SteveJ · April 26, 2004, 15:12

He's on business, and I don't think he will be checking forum very often - I'll txt him and get him log-on

markiii · April 26, 2004, 15:32

Quote from: "Stevo"
Quote from: "markiii"totally speculative pricing but I'm bufgeting for approx £4000

Didn't they say 4-6 thousand euros?
Which would mean you're very wisely budgeting for the top end.
I seriously hope it isn't that much, cos I wouldn't be able to go to that far s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Still, no-one's prob but my own, just praying TTE play nicely with the price!

Aah the waiting game, s'wonderful!

TTE were hoping the top figure would be 5500 euros so yep I'm budgeting top end and praying it come out less or we have a great exchange rate at the time :-) :-) :-)

Sam · May 10, 2004, 21:27

Call me impatient - but is there any further news on this? Its been a helluva of a wait so far......

SteveJ · May 10, 2004, 21:33

There has been no more news from TTE - they are playing their cards very close to their chest at the moment. The last we heard was that TMC Japan required additional chasis bracing.

Believe me - when we know something we will tell everyone - we aren't holding anything back.

Sam · May 10, 2004, 22:11

Cheers Steve - I know - just seems like forever!

Anonymous · May 12, 2004, 23:02

Quote from: "Sam"Cheers Steve - I know - just seems like forever!

s:(

s:(

if they wait for much longer, I will have to buy the darn house and not the turbo s:shock: :shock: s:shock: .

Tem · May 13, 2004, 06:41

From the original article: " Friedel commented that, ?the kit will be on sale by summer?, hinting that they wouldn?t wait for TMC approval indefinitely."

So I guess it should be out soonish, with or without Toyotas approval...

Tem · June 3, 2004, 12:59

Any monthly updates for June...? s8)

s8)

(sorry, but I can't wait)

mph · June 3, 2004, 14:00

Ok ok! I need to call anyway...

Everything is essentially complete, certainly as far as the turbo itself goes. I get the feeling it's just the final bits and pieces (like type approval, homologation, etc) that are causing the delays. The last time I spoke with them, they sounded rather stressed; today was much more relaxed, read into that as you will.

The estimate/target is still €5,500+tax. This includes previously not anticpated parts, such as an uprated clutch and the full under-chassis bracing that TMC wants.

The power output has been slightly reduced, and will sit somewhere around 185-190. This is to ensure no problems with heat. 0-60 times will be uneffected.

Anonymous · June 3, 2004, 14:34

s:shock: :shock: s:shock: Who's going to be the first at £4300. s:? :? s:?

Anonymous · June 3, 2004, 14:57

Quote from: "mph"The power output has been slightly reduced, and will sit somewhere around 185-190. This is to ensure no problems with heat. 0-60 times will be uneffected.

I thought the basic was to be 180 anyway, so this good.
But oooh that price s:(

s:( and the "+tax" part......very sneaky, and very substantial s:cry: :cry: s:cry: s:cry: :cry: s:cry:

mph · June 3, 2004, 15:06

For a fit'n'forget for anyone who is clueless, or cares not for spending the months of learning about technical stuff, along with the full three year warrantee, I still think it's a compelling price.

At a guess, this means they're targetting £5,000 fitted ?

As a comparision (unfair or otherwise), consider people are happy to pay £10,000 for a (non-approved) Elise engine conversion by an independent (but reputable) outfit, with only a 3mth warrantee on the primary components*. The TTE price doesn't sound quite so bad, eh?

*Source: m http://www.blinkmotorsport.com/cgi-bin/site.pl?specs m

Anonymous · June 3, 2004, 17:10

Quote from: "mph"At a guess, this means they're targetting £5,000 fitted ?

PLUS fitting!!! s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
I'm not saying it's a good or bad price, but to me, it's a lot of dosh, and it pees me off when a figure is bandied about (€5.5k, roughly £3.66k), and you set your heart and stretch your budget on that figure, and then boom, much-over-a-grand later you're left crying your little eyes out s:cry: :cry: s:cry: (which is what I'm doing by the way).
Still, no-one's prob but my own I realise, and I guess we've yet to see what the actual final all-in price will be.

mph · June 3, 2004, 17:17

Quote from: "Stevo"
Quote from: "mph"At a guess, this means they're targetting £5,000 fitted ?

PLUS fitting!!! s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
I'm not saying it's a good or bad price, but to me, it's a lot of dosh, and it pees me off when a figure is bandied about (€5.5k, roughly £3.66k), and you set your heart and stretch your budget on that figure, and then boom, much-over-a-grand later you're left crying your little eyes out s:cry: :cry: s:cry: (which is what I'm doing by the way).
Still, no-one's prob but my own I realise, and I guess we've yet to see what the actual final all-in price will be.

Someone's used a few too many braincells today s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

€5,500+tax is about the £4,300 which mr-s_turbo mentioned. Add to that the sum of £700 for fitting comes to the £5,000 all in figure I said.

Tem · June 3, 2004, 17:24

Quote from: "mph"The estimate/target is still ?5,500+tax. This includes previously not anticpated parts, such as an uprated clutch and the full under-chassis bracing that TMC wants.

Any chance one could buy just the kit itself...? I already have a TRD clutch and full TRD bracing, including the under-chassis ones, so I wouldn't want to pay extra for useless parts s:? :? s:?

I'm out of warranty anyway, so don't care if Toyota decides to drop the warranty cause of that. I just need the TÜV-approval...

Anonymous · June 3, 2004, 17:30

Quote from: "mph"Someone's used a few too many braincells today s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

€5,500+tax is about the £4,300 which mr-s_turbo mentioned. Add to that the sum of £700 for fitting comes to the £5,000 all in figure I said.

Someone didn't interpret me correctly s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Yup, got all that, but when you've got €5500 in your head, which is about £3660, and discover when it comes down to the bones of it all, you have to add tax and fitting totalling around £5000, (I trust) you can see where my "much-over-a-grand later" and my disappointment came from.

Again, my fault maybe for being naive enough not to realise that prices bandied were not including tax and fitting.
Last I'll say/moan on the matter, promise! (unless I have to defend mis-interpretations again!)

mph · June 3, 2004, 17:42

Often guilty of that s:)

s:) I have to say that up until now the €5,500 value has been ambiguous to me too, at least as to whether it included fitting - adding tax on is no surprise to anyone in business I guess. I would say, don't be too disheartened yet, keep saving!