A turbo spooled by a supercharger..!

[MRMike]

Found this on automotive forums..made me laugh..not sure how i found this i'm not looking to add No2, and a turbo, spooled by a supercharger. honest..  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

turboedsol
ok i want a turbocharged super charged b16a engine i want to run preety high boost but not all the time. im oviously using the supercharger to spool up the turbo. how much should i look to pay to have the engine rebuild to with stand high boost. i need it to last cause i want it to be reliable but i want it fast. should i go with spoon or jun or have it done a local shop. please help thanks
ryan

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Self

Let me be the first to laugh...LOLOLOL. Now that that's out of the way...how much money do you have? A TON I'm hoping. Second, you will need an entire new bottom end, internals...Come to think of it, a complete rebuild with high-boost parts. Second you will probably need custom fabrication of the engine compartment and front suspension. Third, you will need a great mechanic...and expect it to NOT run correctly, NOT be street legal, NOT be very driveable, and depending on where you live, NOT pass emissions. Good luck either way, but I really do think you're going WAAAYYY overboard.

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turboedsol
money isnt a problem i have someone that wants to support it and i just came into some money. is there a better engine to use or is it just not something that you do. i do want it to be very reliable and drivable. is there another way to get the turbo to spool up faster with out upping the boot to engine killing #'s? thanks

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Self
  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  Nitrous is sometimes used. Honestly though, I just think it's overkill. People hear the words "Turbo Lag" and piss their pants. IT's NOT THAT BAD!! Unless you're planning on running a positively HUGE turbo(which I'm guessing you're not since you're not looking for insane boost), it won't be that much of a problem. Either way though, good luck!

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drift
a turbo that's properly sized for your application will have MINIMAL lag.

Spoon and Mugen only do all motor setups. thay have neither turbo kits, turbo parts, or boostable internals.

as for supercharger with turbocharger, it's only realistic if you use a centrifugal supercharger since the roots style/JRSC will obstruct flow into the intake when the turbo is boosting.

nitrous spooling kits are realistic tho, usually a 25-35 shot to wake up an improperly sized/unstreetable turbo system.

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turboedsol
i know what spoon and jun doesnt make turbo parts. but would a greedy turbocharger would that be to big of a turbo and have to much lag? i dont want to use nos hope to keep the car awhile. sorry im so ignorant
ryan

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LittleDevilCustoms
First of all, A supercharged/ turbo motor is not a smart idea. The supercharger probably will not spool the turbo properly. You will need a very good mechanic, who is also very very very good at tuning motors with forced induction. My first question to you is how much power you are looking to run. I have done many turbo installs on hondas before. Using a greddy turbo is a good idea. Most of greddy's turbos are modified mitsubishi turbos. The b16 kit comes with a 18 g turbo, which has practically no spool time. Using this setup as a base to my Si (which has the same motor), I now have 483HP. Is is my daily driver. The car runs at 17 lbs of boost. It also has a knife edged crank, forged internals which get me 8.7:1 compression, a worked head, throttle body, intake manifold, complete fuel system, and AEM Engine management. This setup is good for a 10.94 in the 1/4. if yoy are looking for more i recomend a bigger turbo, like a 20g. The easiest way to get rid of a spool up problem is NOS. They make a spool up kit which will never hurt you engine if tuned correctly. The most important thing to keep you enging is mataining a correct air fuel ratio. I used to use the Accel ECU, but now i use AEM. AEM is a little more expensive, but it is worth the money.

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rendog24
why don't you just sell your civic, then use this so called money you just fell into and buy a faster car and go from there. then you wont have to do as much turbo and supercharger work on it to make it as fast. Just buy an already turboed wrx. s:D s:D

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Rein
Originally posted by rendog24
why don't you just sell your civic, then use this so called money you just fell into and buy a faster car and go from there. then you wont have to do as much turbo and supercharger work on it to make it as fast. Just buy an already turboed wrx. s:D s:D  

Amen.

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turboedsol
think about it like this which wuld you give more respect to a guy drivin a 10 or 12 second ferrari or the guy drivin a civic with a 1.6 litter car that is running right there beside him??? I Dont know what you guys think but i would much rather drive the civic. I know that the ferrari looks alot better but it is more about the sport.
ryan

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oakiefan
Alternatively, if it doesn't have to be turbo there other ways (I won't say they are better or worse, just different). Jackson Racing has a supercharger kit that produces moderate boost. This kit doesn't produce a huge amount of power but the system has potential for more. If you're interested in high levels of boost and no lag whatsoever check out the guys at ENDYN ( w www.theoldone.com w ). They are still developing their own SC kit but if you talk to them I'm sure you could arrange something.

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turboedsol
whats up with them i have never heard of them buti looked on there site and they clame 400 hp on a b16 how is this possible? and why havent i heard of anything. i read all the mags. hang at alot of local shops and wonder around this fourm alot. are they a reputible name? they sure do claim alot.
ryan

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SleeperTeg
It would be nice if Endyn release their SC, but it is not looking good....

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Prelussion
Originally posted by turboedsol
money isnt a problem i have someone that wants to support it and i just came into some money. is there a better engine to use or is it just not something that you do. i do want it to be very reliable and drivable. is there another way to get the turbo to spool up faster with out upping the boot to engine killing #'s? thanks

LoL....First you want someone else to pay for your car, if your planning on boosting enough to keep up with the Ferrari you'll need a lot more than your average 3 grand Drag Kit. It'd be best if you used a standalone fuel Management such as Hondata and a boost controller like the Greddy Profec A, that way you can have to pre-programmed boost levels and at the push of a button change them. You're afraid to use nitrous because you want t prolong the life of your engine, but you still want to run pretty high boost?

Oh yeah if you still wish to go super and turbocharged be looking at upwards of 10 grand.

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turboedsol
It would be nice if Endyn release their SC, but it is not looking good....

they not goin to release it?? why not???

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rendog24
for all the money you are going to put into the civic to keep up with the ferrari, you might as well just buy the ferrari.:silly2:

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boosted331
So you want a supercharger to help spool the turbo, yet you don't want too much top-end boost? WTF! With a turbo you can adjust the boost from inside the car to limit top end while you're driving, you can't with a S/C. You have to change a pulley.

Honestly, it's going to be hard to hang with ferraris in a civic. I've edged out a stock 360 modena, but I have a pretty big advantage over you (more displacement, RWD, turbo spools quicker)

Just buy a turbo kit and be happy.

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Prelussion
Originally posted by turboedsol


they not goin to release it?? why not???

Cause Larry is full of shit.

:monkeypis endyn

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Prelussion
 m http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=177357&page=1 m

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auke1
Originally posted by Self


Let me be the first to laugh...LOLOLOL. Now that that's out of the way...how much money do you have? A TON I'm hoping. Second, you will need an entire new bottom end, internals...Come to think of it, a complete rebuild with high-boost parts. Second you will probably need custom fabrication of the engine compartment and front suspension. Third, you will need a great mechanic...and expect it to NOT run correctly, NOT be street legal, NOT be very driveable, and depending on where you live, NOT pass emissions. Good luck either way, but I really do think you're going WAAAYYY overboard.


HAHAHAHA, word...

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piscorpio
Originally posted by turboedsol
think about it like this which wuld you give more respect to a guy drivin a 10 or 12 second ferrari or the guy drivin a civic with a 1.6 litter car that is running right there beside him??? I Dont know what you guys think but i would much rather drive the civic. I know that the ferrari looks alot better but it is more about the sport.
ryan

Sorry man, but if you are basically choosing a Civic over a Ferrari for performance, that makes no sense to me. If I want to go fast, turn fast, stop fast, look good, and have the means to get a Ferrari, I don't think there is any question. Speaking of respect, a Ferrari demands respect the minute it rolls up on you, especially if you build it up to be even faster. Just look at SCC's "Ultimate Street Car Challenge" last year. The Ferrari beat, or finished in the top in each competition. This was against highly modified cars of all kinds. The Ferrari was bone stock.

Now I can understand if you want something to build up and be a challenge, but if you have Ferrari money, you can have an ass-kicking Civic, and an even better car on top of that. Just a thought. Civics are cool, and so are Ferrari's, but Id be happy with just an S2000 and a downpayment on a house.  s:D s:D

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Rein
Quote: "Currently there is actually too much low end torque"

That's what I love to hear about in a civic.

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auke1
Hey Rein, what city do you live in, I'm one hour south of LA as well

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Prelussion
Originally posted by Rein
Quote: "Currently there is actually too much low end torque"

That's what I love to hear about in a civic.

Yeah if your an Endyn fan click on that link, cliff notes are- larry is a joke, his only other Employee QUIT and posted about it on honda-tech.com I suggest you read it, it's pretty interesting for those who don't know what happened with Atomic Performance and Endyn.

[Tem]

There are several twincharged Mk1 MR2's  s;) s;)

(hoping to catch a ride in one next summer)

 m http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/Mkimod.htm m

[MRMike]

It was the 'hang with Ferrari's' and 'I think its better to have a 1.6 civic than a ferrari' quotes that made me chuckle..

[markiii]

chuckle doesn't even come close, what a pillock.

[Tem]

It was the 'hang with Ferrari's' and 'I think its better to have a 1.6 civic than a ferrari' quotes that made me chuckle..

Yeah...they pretty much sound like local BMW-teens...they believe (or at least say so) that E30 is the best car ever. One famous quote that still lives around here was roughly translated to "I couldn't care less about Skylines, cause I have a real BMW"  s:lol: :lol: s:lol: