Call that a member brace? Feeble! 2004 Improvements...

[Tem]

2003 and 2004 have identical alloy sizes don't they?

Yeah, they do.

Note that I was only comparing 2000/2004 brochures as I don't have anything else. 2003&2004 could have the same time...

But then again, 15kg is about 1.5% from roughly 1000kg. 7.9s+1.5%=8.0s

Also, I have no idea about 2003/2004 weight difference. IIRC, 2003 was already a bit heavier than 2000...

[Anonymous]

an 03 would be heavier than a 2000, for a start you have the bigger rear wheels. didnt the 03 have some extra bracing too?

[Anonymous]

doesnt surprise me. 15kg extra weight plus more unsprung weight at the driven wheels with the larger and heavier 16" wheels

2003 and 2004 have identical alloy sizes don't they?

And to be honest 15kg difference for the extra confidence you'd probably gain, I know I'd probably go quicker with the bracing.  The corky brace, and a strut brace would havea weight penalty but I bet my bottom dollar that would be offset at the track.

round a track mike im certain an '04 would be quicker than a stock '00, i was talking about straight line spped where i think the slightly lighter  '00 would pip it.

[roger]

Just surfing.

Bought my '2 in May so I reckon its the new "stiffened" one. Looked under it in the garage with a flash light and there appears to be a lot of bracing at the front. Not much in the middle, and looking at other threads no different from those pics of peeps who have added a Breast Plate.

BUT..... the handbook says Gross Vehicle Mass is 1225 Kg (SMT 1235), you guys were talking of 990Kg!

Are they adding petrol etc? 235Kg extra sounds an awful lot with not that much degradation in acceleration etc.

Hey, Tem, perhaps Finnish cars are made from Aluminium  s:) s:)



EDIT EDIT EDIT  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  

I think I have half answered my own question. I remembered I had a 2004 brochure stuck away. 990 Kg is the Kerb Weight. I assume they are different, how, I am not sure.

[Anonymous]

I think 990/975 is kerb weight.

[Anonymous]

I think I have half answered my own question. I remembered I had a 2004 brochure stuck away. 990 Kg is the Kerb Weight. I assume they are different, how, I am not sure.

AFAIK, Kerb weight is the weight of the car with the driver and some fraction of a tank of fuel (1/2, 1/4, something like that).  Whereas gross weight, as the name suggests, I guess is with full set of occupants, tank of juice, luggage, etc. etc.

[Tem]

AFAIK, Kerb weight is the weight of the car with the driver and some fraction of a tank of fuel (1/2, 1/4, something like that).  Whereas gross weight, as the name suggests, I guess is with full set of occupants, tank of juice, luggage, etc. etc.

Yeah, that +1200kg is fully loaded...