My Sable 2005 MR2 - shnazzle

[Bernie]

yeah no problem at all, I'm sure Bernie's is much more refined than mine from what i seen from his build, you wouldn't want to drive mine everyday   s:D s:D  but it was built like that for a reason   s:D s:D   i might see if Bernie is willing to take me for a spin in his on ding day also, be good to see what its like.

cheers tommy

No probs Tommy form an orderly queue  :-) :-) :-)

  s:D s:D    s:D s:D  it looks that way, its your own fault for having such a nice 2  s:D s:D  more than welcome to come for a blast in mine  s:) s:)

cheers tommy

Thanks Tommy would be rude not to !

[MR TWO]

It's what you sign up for when you go modified.

Rarely is anything said or written about performance/ modded cars that can't be refuted. Your comment is one of those rare ones.

I still think the modded ones are worthwhile!

[manos3003]

Very true. No matter how much an improvement you make over stock, you'll still have issues; as mentioned above, it's what you decide you can live with.

It's what you sign up for when you go modified.

Rarely is anything said or written about performance/ modded cars that can't be refuted. Your comment is one of those rare ones.

I still think the modded ones are worthwhile!

[shnazzle]

Beautiful gear changes, clutch bite and power delivery thanks to the new LUK clutch put in today with mulaz.

[manos3003]

Sweet! Judging from the pics, it didn't come with clutch cover plate and possibly release bearing?

Beautiful gear changes, clutch bite and power delivery thanks to the new LUK clutch put in today with mulaz.

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[shnazzle]

That's the old one mate  s:) s:)

[manos3003]

If I fits, I sits  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

That's the old one mate  s:) s:)

[shnazzle]

While that is smashing..... What?

[mulaz]

2nd clutch change with Patrick in 3 weeks was a doddle ... we knocked 4 hours off the time it took to do my clutch
Have to say its not a job to take on lightly unless you have had past experience working on motors

The best part is we have saved a fortune between us and gained lots of MR2 clutch knowledge and i hope he doesn't mind me saying i have made a good friend  s:D s:D

[manos3003]

Agreed, it's not an easy job

Thank god I did it on the 2zz while it was off the car   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Did you use the "huge bolt and loads of masking tape" trick to lock it in place?

2nd clutch change with Patrick in 3 weeks was a doddle ... we knocked 4 hours off the time it took to do my clutch
Have to say its not a job to take on lightly unless you have had past experience working on motors

The best part is we have saved a fortune between us and gained lots of MR2 clutch knowledge and i hope he doesn't mind me saying i have made a good friend  s:D s:D

[shnazzle]

2nd clutch change with Patrick in 3 weeks was a doddle ... we knocked 4 hours off the time it took to do my clutch
Have to say its not a job to take on lightly unless you have had past experience working on motors

The best part is we have saved a fortune between us and gained lots of MR2 clutch knowledge and i hope he doesn't mind me saying i have made a good friend  s:D s:D

Don't mind you saying at all. Echoed right back at you!

The job is indeed not one I would recommend a total novice to do. I've done a fair bit of fettling but Ian's experience over mine did show and I've learned a fair bit about general mechanics and engineering.

[shnazzle]

Let this be a lesson kids.

"Petey: oh, my subframe is fine! Looked at it from the engine bay. No holes! Safe! "


"Frank: But Petey, have you checked underneath?"

(some time later)

"Petey: I've checked underneath now Frank. All is not well. Time to put the new one in"

[manos3003]

WHAAAAAAAAAAA?   s:scared: :scared: s:scared:    s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:  

Definitely having a good look at mine now I'm about to drop the engine off. Just not prepared to pay £300 to MR2BEN or Toyota for a new one  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

Let this be a lesson kids.

"Petey: oh, my subframe is fine! Looked at it from the engine bay. No holes! Safe! "


"Frank: But Petey, have you checked underneath?"

(some time later)

"Petey: I've checked underneath now Frank. All is not well. Time to put the new one in"

[StuC]

WHAAAAAAAAAAA?   s:scared: :scared: s:scared:    s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:  

Definitely having a good look at mine now I'm about to drop the engine off. Just not prepared to pay £300 to MR2BEN or Toyota for a new one  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

Buy cheap, buy twice.

Just sayin

[shnazzle]

The specimen above was 150 quid  s:) s:)  
Buy smart  s;) s;)  

The other one I bought (and sold) was 120... Including 2 good toe bolts (40ish quid new) and 2 good rear trailing arms (a small fortune new).

Deals can be had, but make sure that it's a good one! A powder coat does not a solid subframe make

[manos3003]

I like the Yoda mannerism there  s:P s:P

True, you need to look well before you buy.

The specimen above was 150 quid  s:) s:)  
Buy smart  s;) s;)  

The other one I bought (and sold) was 120... Including 2 good toe bolts (40ish quid new) and 2 good rear trailing arms (a small fortune new).

Deals can be had, but make sure that it's a good one! A powder coat does not a solid subframe make

[shnazzle]

Full alignment with new camber bolts set to -2deg in the rear.
Full handling review later when it's warmer/drier

Also, can unequivocally say that I really really don't like the look of M X 5s. Horrible. Never been around so many.

The garage (AK Automotive) specialise in them, but say they do a hell of a lot of work on other cars such as Subaru, Clios, rtv

[shnazzle]

First impressions of -2 rear camber:

... Not sure...
It's hard to explain, it feels like you're not sitting in the middle of the car anymore,but in between the rear wheels.
The rear of the car properly digs into a corner, so there is absolutely no doubt that rear cornering grip has improved.
At the cost of some straight-line stability I dare say. It seems a lot more susceptible to direction changes by gusts of wind.
I can't explain the overall handling yet.
Watch this space for part2.
I'm tempted to try to put a tiny bit of camber on the front. From -0.4 to -1 maybe.

[lamcote]

For what it's worth, I reckon you should have left the camber as you had it. It's going to cost a fortune for alignments if you keep changing....

[shnazzle]

I know. It was always an experiment to see what the 2 could do as far as rear end planting. Now I know. And I do like it, but not at -2. I'd be happier with -1.5. One of the great things is how when the back does go, it just kind of rights itself.

[tommyzoom99]

I know. It was always an experiment to see what the 2 could do as far as rear end planting. Now I know. And I do like it, but not at -2. I'd be happier with -1.5. One of the great things is how when the back does go, it just kind of rights itself.

hi shnazzle, i run 2.5 degrees on the front and 2 on the rear which we liked really made a difference on the track on the long fast bends rear end grips much better, think were going to go to 3 on the front and 2.5 rear soon, we also run 0 toe on the front and slight toe in rear really made the car handle so much better but does have its down side as mentioned for everyday use like tram lining and straight line stability.

cheers tommy

[shnazzle]

I'm surprised by the front camber. I never thought of increasing the front camber beyond the rear.
But, yours also on all 15s right? Slightly more square.
I'm going to go back more like how it was. It is a daily driver now so it needs to be comfortable. So I'll dial in the camber a bit on the rear. Increase the front very slightly. Be done with it

[tommyzoom99]

I'm surprised by the front camber. I never thought of increasing the front camber beyond the rear.
But, yours also on all 15s right? Slightly more square.
I'm going to go back more like how it was. It is a daily driver now so it needs to be comfortable. So I'll dial in the camber a bit on the rear. Increase the front very slightly. Be done with it

no mine is on 15 and 16 front and rear buddy but we have made the rolling radius front to rear square via tyre sizes, on our cars as you load up the suspension the rear incurs more camber than the front so its better to run a little bit more front camber on the front so they even out under cornering, but like you say yours is a daily so not really necessary to run these settings

cheers tommy

[Wabbitkilla]

I used to use one of these for setting my camber myself, very accurate but fiddly
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This looks far better to use;
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[shnazzle]

I had looked at one of those magnetic doodads but doesn't changing camber inherently change toe? I don't want to throw away the whole 100 quid I just spent on 2hrs of alignment