Going to pick this this up from a member on here this afternoon (thanks Headcase).
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I read that there might be some brackets or bolts required to fit it to a PFL MRS car?
So what other stuff (gaskets, pinch rings etc) will be required to complete installation please? (already got Plus Gas s:) :) s:) )
HFB
If your 2 is not your daily I suggest that you first remove the existing top heat shield and manifold.
You will then know if any replacement studs are required in the head and / or on the bottom flange.
You will need 5 new nuts for the fixing to the head and a new gasket.
At the bottom end you will need new crush washers.
You will notice by comparison with your OE manifold that your new manifold does not have fixing points to replace the top heat shield, nor fixing points at the lower end of the manifold to support the manifold weight.
The heat shield is often left off and the manifold wrapped with tape, best done off the car I understand.
The lower support fixing is perhaps not required. The OE manifold is heavier than your replacement and featured a lower support, possibly to allow the 3 Amigos to be undone!
I have only experienced the removal/ replacement of an OE manifold and the " effort" required to undo the 3 friends, whether an unsupported manifold would resist this " effort " I do not know.
If you want to support the new manifold your choice would be to have new fixing points welded to the manifold like on the OE or fabricate or possibly utilise proprietary exhaust clamps as the basis for fixing back to the engine block.
Just fitted my toyosport. I recommend getting 5 new nuts for the manifold, and 3 new nuts for the flange at the bottom. If you don't already, get yourself a large can of plusgas, a breaker bar, and a wire brush to clean up the threads. Then take your time.
I rushed the 'doing up' of the amigos and sheared a flange stud. No biggy, just a pain to take it all apart and fit a stud from the OE manifold
2nd that to the new nuts and bolts
Also it will be far easier to wrap it off the car but it can be done later like i did . my heat wrap was £5.25 inc delivery off ebay with stainless cable ties
Who wraps manifolds? I think I'd make a bit of a pigs ear of it but want mine wrapped..
Thank you all (great write up Joesson).
I was thinking of fabricating some sort of lower bracket to support the manifold, but not had a good look at it yet.
I haven't measured them yet, so does anyone know sizes and lengths of studs/bolts required?
Also, heat wrap......how much required and are there different types I should look out for/avoid?
Sorry for the rookie questions.
HFB
Confucius said:
By three methods we may learn wisdom:
First, by reflection, which is noblest;
Second, by imitation, which is easiest;
and third by experience, which is the bitterest.
But Confucius wasn't a Member on here s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "HFB"Thank you all (great write up Joesson).
I was thinking of fabricating some sort of lower bracket to support the manifold, but not had a good look at it yet.
I haven't measured them yet, so does anyone know sizes and lengths of studs/bolts required?
Also, heat wrap......how much required and are there different types I should look out for/avoid?
Sorry for the rookie questions.
HFB
Carolyn be the expert on wrapping manifolds.....
Sorry to drag up an old thread, but where is the best place to get the exhaust manifold to head studs and nuts? My mate needs them. He just went to toyota and they want 47 quid!!
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I bought mine from my local motor factors (I swear I said that yesterday to someone else!)
IIRC, they were £2 each and the brass nuts were £1 each. So, what, £15 all in?
I took one of the old ones into them so that they could see what they were looking for.
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Wrap it on the bench. 50% overlap. I hold it in place with plastic ties and then put the stainless ones on when it's pretty.
Quote from: "The Other Stu"I bought mine from my local motor factors (I swear I said that yesterday to someone else!)
IIRC, they were £2 each and the brass nuts were £1 each. So, what, £15 all in?
I took one of the old ones into them so that they could see what they were looking for.
Any ideas of the pitch and thread do i need? M10 1.25? or M10 1.5?
I'll get back to you after 3. I have a tap and die set in the garage and the old ones....
Quote from: "The Other Stu"I'll get back to you after 3. I have a tap and die set in the garage and the old ones....
Thanks Stu, you the man s:) :) s:)
M8 x 1.25 is the answer s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "The Other Stu"M8 x 1.25 is the answer s:) :) s:)
Thanks Stu! Much appreciated.
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Head to manifold: M8 x 1.5
Mainifold to cat: M10 x 1.25
Quote from: "Carolyn"Head to manifold: M8 x 1.5
Mainifold to cat: M10 x 1.25
Thanks for that Carolyn, i need the head to manifold s:) :) s:)
Interesting, I took the OEM ones out last night Carolyn and measured them using a die. They were definitely 1.25.
I wonder if your import is different?
EDIT to add... that scared me! So I went and checked.
Absolutely no pressure at all needed.
(https://i.imgur.com/kX8Phrq.jpg)
In addition, I measured it
(https://i.imgur.com/3l7PT7Ql.png)
Mine is a 2003 FL.
could be.
Getting garage to fit my recently acquired 2nd hand toyosport next week, but going to try wrapping myself. Need some advice/opinions.
Will 2" x 10' be enough for rookie on 1st attempt or do i go crazy and get 50'?
I'm aware there's fibreglass and titanium wraps, and read that titanium doesn't need soaked before wrapping, but are there advantages of one type of wrap over the other?
Do I need to prep or clean the mani outer surface (it's used second hand) before wrapping?
Is there a proper name/part no for the steel zip ties or do I just google exactly that - "steel zip ties"?
Finally, looks like there's sealant/gasket still on upper half - what tools/cleaning chemicals should I use to remove these? (I'm assuming best not to reuse?)
Thanks
Quote from: delhusband on September 21, 2018, 22:07
Getting garage to fit my recently acquired 2nd hand toyosport next week, but going to try wrapping myself. Need some advice/opinions.
Will 2" x 10' be enough for rookie on 1st attempt or do i go crazy and get 50'?
I'm aware there's fibreglass and titanium wraps, and read that titanium doesn't need soaked before wrapping, but are there advantages of one type of wrap over the other?
Do I need to prep or clean the mani outer surface (it's used second hand) before wrapping?
Is there a proper name/part no for the steel zip ties or do I just google exactly that - "steel zip ties"?
Finally, looks like there's sealant/gasket still on upper half - what tools/cleaning chemicals should I use to remove these? (I'm assuming best not to reuse?)
Thanks
One thing for sure, don't believe the hype about the "no soaking", any cut ends will still release the fibres and if you get them in your pores it's a bat-turd...
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Quote from: delhusband on September 21, 2018, 22:07
Getting garage to fit my recently acquired 2nd hand toyosport next week, but going to try wrapping myself. Need some advice/opinions.
Will 2" x 10' be enough for rookie on 1st attempt or do i go crazy and get 50'?
I'm aware there's fibreglass and titanium wraps, and read that titanium doesn't need soaked before wrapping, but are there advantages of one type of wrap over the other?
Do I need to prep or clean the mani outer surface (it's used second hand) before wrapping?
Is there a proper name/part no for the steel zip ties or do I just google exactly that - "steel zip ties"?
Finally, looks like there's sealant/gasket still on upper half - what tools/cleaning chemicals should I use to remove these? (I'm assuming best not to reuse?)
Thanks
I wrapped my Hamish Manifold earlier this year - no time at the mo, but I will reply better later with my process
Parts:-
Hamish Manifold
Titanium wrap and stainless ties that came with the Hamish Manifold (Was 10 metres if this helps)
Wallpapering scissors
Marigolds (Mine were yellow and Tesco own brand)
What I did
Soaked the wrap overnight in a bucket. Make sure this bucket isn't a car washing one
Chose the awkward pipe from each side (or sensor if you like)
Cut a piece of wrap long enough to wrap the awkward pipe with a bit left over for contingency. It will unravel (more on this later)
Start at the join, wrap the wrap over itself initially so it holds while pulling taught. Overlap the wrap by half the width and wrap to the flange (Head end). Secure with Stainless tie. Pull the tie with pliers until tight. Cut excess from the tie. Repeat for other awkward pipe
Start at the cat flange and wrap as above, ensuring the sensor hole is left uncovered (I did a little 'figure 8' wrap). On reaching the join and previously wrapped pipe wrap both until a couple of wraps done, then pass through in between to complete the single pipe up to the head flange. Secure with Stainless tie. Pull the tie with pliers until tight. Cut excess from the tie. Repeat for last pipe
Et Voila!!!
What I should have done
TOOK MORE PICTURES!!!
Used the stainless ties at the start instead of wrapping it over itself
Secured the loose end of the wrap with something to stop it unravelling while wrapping (Bunching it up and using a nylon cable tie would have been fine)
Not used my car wash bucket!!!
Worn long sleeves
Hope this all makes sense @delhusband (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24545)
(http://i.imgur.com/t8JLnWB.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/t8JLnWB)
Fast forward a week or so and I wrapped my decat centre pipe. I learnt from the manifold, didn't lose much to unravelling and was generally happier with it. You'll be fine Del. Take your time, unwrap if needed and redo. It's quite fun until the itching starts
You can just see it in this pic. Kit purchased off Ebay for about £8 - 10 metres of titanium wrap and 10 steel ties
(http://i.imgur.com/dJU6fJd.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/dJU6fJd)
If the Toyosport mani has heat shield brackets and you're not going to be fitting the lower shields get the brackets cut off before you wrap it.
And bear in mind for any future fettling in that area (chain tensioner etc) that the fibres linger around and get all over everything. So if you need to revisit it to tighten anything as I did with a dodgy, non OEM crush ring then consider wetting it down again first and take the same precautions. It takes days to for the fibres to clear your skin.
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on September 22, 2018, 11:14
If the Toyosport mani has heat shield brackets and you're not going to be fitting the lower shields get the brackets cut off before you wrap it.
And bear in mind for any future fettling in that area (chain tensioner etc) that the fibres linger around and get all over everything. So if you need to revisit it to tighten anything as I did with a dodgy, non OEM crush ring then consider wetting it down again first and take the same precautions. It takes days to for the fibres to clear your skin.
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Toyosport doesn't have heat shield brackets - Mine is Hamish which does. They're not lined up quite right, I wish I had removed them
I have refitted the heatshield, but attached the top and bottom ones to each other, not using the brackets on the manifold
Oh, and the fibres really do linger for days - itchy like a really itchy thing
Quote from: Justin.D on September 22, 2018, 11:27
Quote from: Call the midlife! on September 22, 2018, 11:14
If the Toyosport mani has heat shield brackets and you're not going to be fitting the lower shields get the brackets cut off before you wrap it.
And bear in mind for any future fettling in that area (chain tensioner etc) that the fibres linger around and get all over everything. So if you need to revisit it to tighten anything as I did with a dodgy, non OEM crush ring then consider wetting it down again first and take the same precautions. It takes days to for the fibres to clear your skin.
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Toyosport doesn't have heat shield brackets - Mine is Hamish which does. They're not lined up quite right, I wish I had removed them
I have refitted the heatshield, but attache the top and bottom ones to each other, not using the brackets on the manifold
Oh, and the fibres really do linger for days - itchy like a really itchy thing
You can fit the lower ones if you trim them as I did before ditching them and wishing I'd test fitted it all first before wrapping. Otherwise I'd have cut them off before wrapping as it's a royal pain in the rear! (Also soon to be replaced Hamish).
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on September 22, 2018, 11:32
Quote from: Justin.D on September 22, 2018, 11:27
Quote from: Call the midlife! on September 22, 2018, 11:14
If the Toyosport mani has heat shield brackets and you're not going to be fitting the lower shields get the brackets cut off before you wrap it.
And bear in mind for any future fettling in that area (chain tensioner etc) that the fibres linger around and get all over everything. So if you need to revisit it to tighten anything as I did with a dodgy, non OEM crush ring then consider wetting it down again first and take the same precautions. It takes days to for the fibres to clear your skin.
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Toyosport doesn't have heat shield brackets - Mine is Hamish which does. They're not lined up quite right, I wish I had removed them
I have refitted the heatshield, but attache the top and bottom ones to each other, not using the brackets on the manifold
Oh, and the fibres really do linger for days - itchy like a really itchy thing
You can fit the lower ones if you trim them as I did before ditching them and wishing I'd test fitted it all first before wrapping. Otherwise I'd have cut them off before wrapping as it's a royal pain in the rear! (Also soon to be replaced Hamish).
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I wish I hadn't bothered with the heatshields. The amount of fettling to get the sensors to line up, and the heatshields attached just wasn't worth it. That and the wrap was trickier as I had to go round the brackets
Still, a sense of achievement once done, and looks stock if only a quick glance. I've sprayed the heatshield black now too - looks ok but I managed to 'duff it up' a bit when refitting
Quote from: Justin.D on September 22, 2018, 10:55
Hope this all makes sense @delhusband (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24545)
Brilliant write up, thanks Justin, really appreciate this. So 10M was more than enough?
Quote from: Call the midlife! on September 21, 2018, 22:37
don't believe the hype about the "no soaking", any cut ends will still release the fibres and if you get them in your pores it's a bat-turd...
Quote from: Justin.D on September 22, 2018, 11:27Oh, and the fibres really do linger for days - itchy like a really itchy thing
Noted :(
Quote from: Justin.D on September 22, 2018, 11:27
Quote from: Call the midlife! on September 22, 2018, 11:14
If the Toyosport mani has heat shield brackets and you're not going to be fitting the lower shields get the brackets cut off before you wrap it.
Toyosport doesn't have heat shield brackets
Yup, no brackets - not too fussed about losing heat sheild from a cosmetic perspective, take it there's no issue from a performance or any other perspective judging by number of exposed (wrapped) headers I've seen on members cars...
Quote from: Justin.D on September 22, 2018, 11:27I have refitted the heat shield, but attached the top and bottom ones to each other, not using the brackets on the manifold
Noted, in case I change my mind and try refitting
If you're having it fitted at a yard you possibly won't see it but just be prepared for the amount of smoke that comes off the wrap the first time it heats up, it looks like it's leaking but it's not. Well probably not..
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Quote from: Call the midlife! on September 22, 2018, 13:10
...first time it heats up, it looks like it's leaking but it's not. Well probably not..
Eek! Already had enough worry when nappy started smoking last year...
For info, I ended up buying this stuff..https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01IVQRV7Y/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01IVQRV7Y/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Now I've got the bolt sizes from this good thread, I need to go and look up gasket part No's from workshop manual
So, to answer the original premise of the thread, and from what I've found from some research, you'd need at last some of the following :
- Toyosport Manifold ;D
- Gasket - Exhaust Manifold to Head (same part for FL & PFL)
- Gasket (x2) - Exhaust Manifold to Cat (same part for FL & PFL)
- Bolt/Stud (x5) - Exhaust Manifold to Head - (different part for FL & PFL)
- Nut (x5) - Exhaust Manifold to Head (same part for FL & PFL)
- Bolt/Stud (x3) - Exhaust Manifold to Cat - (same part for FL & PFL)
- Nut (x3) - Exhaust Manifold to Head (same part for FL & PFL)
- Exhaust Manifold Wrap (2" x 10' or 50mm x 3000mm)
- (x10) Stainless Steel Zip Ties 30mm
- (x10) Plastic Zip ties 30mm
- Bucket of Water (Not the one you wash your car with)
- Gloves
- Patience
If you're refitting the Heat Shield
- Bolt w/washer (x2) - Upper Heat Shield Section Upper bolt
- Bolt w/washer (x?) - Upper Heat Shield Section Lower bolt
- Bolt w/washer (x?) - Lower Heat Shield Section bolt
Quote from: delhusband on September 22, 2018, 12:29
Quote from: Justin.D on September 22, 2018, 10:55
Hope this all makes sense @delhusband (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24545)
Brilliant write up, thanks Justin, really appreciate this. So 10M was more than enough?
10m was enough. I didn't have a lot left over, but will be enough. Be careful with the loose end as it will unravel and be useless
Quote from: delhusband on September 22, 2018, 15:04
So, to answer the original premise of the thread, and from what I've found from some research, you'd need at last some of the following :
- Toyosport Manifold ;D
- Gasket - Exhaust Manifold to Head (same part for FL & PFL)
- Gasket (x2) - Exhaust Manifold to Cat (same part for FL & PFL)
- Bolt/Stud (x5) - Exhaust Manifold to Head - (different part for FL & PFL)
- Nut (x5) - Exhaust Manifold to Head (same part for FL & PFL)
- Bolt/Stud (x3) - Exhaust Manifold to Cat - (same part for FL & PFL)
- Nut (x3) - Exhaust Manifold to Head (same part for FL & PFL)
- Exhaust Manifold Wrap (2" x 10' or 50mm x 3000mm)
- (x10) Stainless Steel Zip Ties 30mm
- (x10) Plastic Zip ties 30mm
- Bucket of Water (Not the one you wash your car with)
- Gloves
- Patience
If you're refitting the Heat Shield
- Bolt w/washer (x2) - Upper Heat Shield Section Upper bolt
- Bolt w/washer (x?) - Upper Heat Shield Section Lower bolt
- Bolt w/washer (x?) - Lower Heat Shield Section bolt
Check No. 3 - I believe the toyosport has a different gasket to stock/Hamish. Anyone with a toyosport confirm this ( @Carolyn (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=22891) @The Other Stu (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=23604) ). Stock has 2 x crush gaskets, I think toyosport has a single traditional style gasket
Check No. 7 - Did you mean Manifold to Cat?
You won't refit the heatshield to a toyosport - my comments were for the Hamish
Quote from: Call the midlife! on September 22, 2018, 13:10
If you're having it fitted at a yard you possibly won't see it but just be prepared for the amount of smoke that comes off the wrap the first time it heats up, it looks like it's leaking but it's not. Well probably not..
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Good point CTM. It took mine about 100 miles before it finally stopped smoking. Only completed it just before Ding Day, was smoking all the way to Wrexham!!!
Quote from: Justin.D on September 23, 2018, 07:06
Be careful with the loose end as it will unravel and be useless
Good shout, saw that on one of the vids i watched. I'll try duct tape over the loose end.