6 Speed versus 5 speed

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February 11, 2007, 19:26 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Anonymous
basically how should you drive a six speed if you have been used to driving a 5 speed?!

can you readline each gear in the same way as in the five gear box?

ninjinski

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February 11, 2007, 19:29 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by ninjinski
Quote from: "bossman23780"basically how should you drive a six speed if you have been used to driving a 5 speed?!

can you readline each gear in the same way as in the five gear box?

Personally I drive gears 1-5 as I did with the 5 speed (except now I try to drive to my torque curve since having the TTET installed) - 6 in my mind is a motorway cruising or fuel saving gear   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Anonymous

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February 11, 2007, 19:34 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Anonymous
has the 6 speed got a slightly higher top speed and when are you supposed to change gear, is it at the same change as with the 5?!

im struggling to understand the gains of a six speed, especially if you chose an SP240 package that would negate the early change because you could keep the power on right up to the readline?!

ninjinski

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February 11, 2007, 20:00 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by ninjinski
Not so sure - but mind you would be hitting well over 130mph at that stage in 5th regardless!!!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Anonymous

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February 11, 2007, 20:10 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Anonymous
 s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

... is that all! you slow coach   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

kanujunkie

#5
February 11, 2007, 20:21 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by kanujunkie
gears 1-5 in a 6 speed box is the same as the 5 gears in a 5 speed box, so you'd drive them the same but when a 5 speed box runs out of gears a 6 speed box still has another
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red_leicester

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February 12, 2007, 01:00 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by red_leicester
That was almost Spinal Tap-esque Stu!  s:) :) s:)
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Anonymous

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February 12, 2007, 14:43 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Anonymous
 s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

custardavenger

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February 13, 2007, 22:06 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by custardavenger
I've been thinking about doing the swap myself. I do alot of motorway miles and would love the extra gear but then I love the position of reverse in the five speed.

One question. Does the six speed box have an LSD? sure I read it somewhere.
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February 13, 2007, 22:07 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by markiii
all uk roadster boxes have an lsd
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Anonymous

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February 13, 2007, 22:08 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Anonymous
All UK   EU gearboxes do. Jap  US ones had it as an option.


*EDIT* Too slow  s:( :( s:(

kanujunkie

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February 13, 2007, 22:09 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by kanujunkie
all uk spec cars have an LSD

iirc the LSD is seperate from the gearbox anyway, but dont quote me 100% on that
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Anonymous

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February 13, 2007, 22:13 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Anonymous
Still, not as slow as Stu  s;) ;) s;)

kanujunkie

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February 13, 2007, 22:33 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by kanujunkie
ya buggers  **shakes fist in the air**

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February 13, 2007, 22:38 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by aaronjb
Quote from: "kanujunkie"iirc the LSD is seperate from the gearbox anyway, but dont quote me 100% on that

It's inside the same casing, but it's not really part of the 'gearbox', if you see what I mean..  You can change it without having to dismantle drive gears, but it's not exactly an operation for the novice IIRC.
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mrsmr2

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February 14, 2007, 17:16 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by mrsmr2
Toyota only really mentioned the LSD when the facelift was released hence a lot of people quote it arrived with the 03s.

However, the LSD has always been there.
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custardavenger

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February 14, 2007, 17:45 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by custardavenger
Cheers guys. So are you saying I've got one then. LOL.

So am i right to believe it's got it's own oil cavity? Hmm maybe thats where the oil is leaking from.
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February 15, 2007, 04:27 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Tem
Quote from: "custardavenger"So am i right to believe it's got it's own oil cavity? Hmm maybe thats where the oil is leaking from.

LSD is inside the transmission, it's using the same oil with it.
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custardavenger

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February 15, 2007, 17:49 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by custardavenger
Quote from: "Tem"
Quote from: "custardavenger"So am i right to believe it's got it's own oil cavity? Hmm maybe thats where the oil is leaking from.

LSD is inside the transmission, it's using the same oil with it.

Yeah. just had a look at it in the manual. Guess I'll split the box when I do the clutch/flywheel.

Ta
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February 17, 2007, 06:32 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Anonymous
Quote from: "custardavenger"
Quote from: "Tem"
Quote from: "custardavenger"So am i right to believe it's got it's own oil cavity? Hmm maybe thats where the oil is leaking from.

LSD is inside the transmission, it's using the same oil with it.

Yeah. just had a look at it in the manual. Guess I'll split the box when I do the clutch/flywheel.

Ta
The clutch and flywheel are accessible when the transaxle has been separated from the engine.
The differential is not.
Based on your post I'd warn you off going in past replacing the clutch.

custardavenger

#20
February 18, 2007, 20:00 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by custardavenger
Don't worry WTS, I've done a couple of gearboxes before and though I don't know much about the 2's box now. I'll do my homework before I start.

Can't just ignore an oil leak.
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February 18, 2007, 22:09 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by spit
Dumb question of the day:

How do you determine whether a 'box (off the car) is 5 or 6 and if it has LSD? They all look the same to me  s:? :? s:?
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Tem

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February 19, 2007, 04:31 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Tem
Quote from: "spit"How do you determine whether a 'box (off the car) is 5 or 6 and if it has LSD? They all look the same to me  s:? :? s:?

See if you can find 5 or 6 gears (and reverse) with the selector shaft?  s8) 8) s8)
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Anonymous

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February 19, 2007, 07:39 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Anonymous
Reverse is opposite on them.

5sp is away from the driver and back.
6sp is towards the driver and forward.
Of course, over there its just the opposite from that.
5sp will be towards the driver and back.
6sp will be away from the driver and forward.

If its out of the vehicle its tricker as they share housings. All 6speeds will have "C60" stamped in multiple places but so will the 5sp. However, on the USDM 5SP theres a "C15" on the outside wherease the 6sp has C60 in the same spot.

You can also compare shift selector shaft housings if you know what at least one of them looks like.

For the LSD they only sure way short of disassembly is to look thru the transaxle from the axle holes. If you can see daylight then no LSD. If its completely blocked its because of the LSD.

The method where one puts both wheels in the air and spins one of them doesnt always provide conclusive results. Sometimes both wheels will spin the same way sometimes they wont. Depends on whether the LSD requires some torque difference in order to 'engage'.

philster_d

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February 19, 2007, 12:30 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by philster_d
So does the 6 have a higher final drive ratio or not ?
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