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MelBee42

#200
March 28, 2012, 21:56 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Lol, I won't be 'giving it a good thrashing' until I have the brakes and handbrake fixed!!! I'm not a lunatic (honest)....  s;) ;) s;)

kidkarter

#201
March 28, 2012, 22:01 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
the handbrakes for parking mel !! haha well mostly !    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  actually your right best get the cable free'd off first ?

smarty72

#202
March 28, 2012, 22:01 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
If the head gasket is screwed wouldn't it be a problem all the time, not just when it feels like it.  My coolant level fluctuates far more than on any other car I have owned, as do many other owners cars.

Having said that Matt is really highly thought of on here and is the only one to have seen the car, was he aware of the leaking coolant bottles in the bins? Is it possible that he mis diagnosed it (for what it's worth when you read this Matt im not questioning your expertise, just seems a weird problem).
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MelBee42

#203
March 28, 2012, 22:13 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Smarty - no, he didn't know, I only found out myself tonight when I went to clear out the car. I had the same thought, that it's such an unusual thing to happen, that no-one would ever have thought that there was a leak originating from the bins. Again, like you say, I'm not questioning anyone's expertise. Just think it's worth doing the tests given the weird circumstances. I had no idea myself, the bottles were full and fine and the bins were dry before I dropped it off.

KidKarter - lol, yes, but the other brakes are for braking, so quite important! :p Need to get them sorted. Handbrake cable has already been disconnected by Matt, and left side locks when used, so it still works on hills (thankfully).  s:) :) s:)

kidkarter

#204
March 28, 2012, 23:11 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
 s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

kidkarter

#205
March 29, 2012, 08:22 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
The suspenders are killing me !  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  come on Matt give this poor girl some good news !!! Got my fingers crossed for you mel !!!

dcod

#206
March 29, 2012, 09:55 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "rbuckingham"mel if you can get a 1zz head gasket and a set of head bolts

A friend has these parts for his 1zz Celica. He eventually sold the car instead. Will they fit?

Should be able to mug him and get them cheap.
Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"

I bought a "Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine" to lose weight. I put on five stone. I blame the delicious gravy it makes.

Anonymous

#207
March 29, 2012, 10:03 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "dcod"
Quote from: "rbuckingham"mel if you can get a 1zz head gasket and a set of head bolts

A friend has these parts for his 1zz Celica. He eventually sold the car instead. Will they fit?

Should be able to mug him and get them cheap.

parts wise yes i think they are the same as there are 2 types of 1zz but the only real difference is the size of the valves in the head which wont effect the gasket. however we might not need these depending on the water situation.

dcod

#208
March 29, 2012, 10:07 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Cool, let me know if/when you need them. What's the age of MelBee's car so I can check with Toyota that they are the same.
Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"

I bought a "Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine" to lose weight. I put on five stone. I blame the delicious gravy it makes.

MelBee42

#209
March 29, 2012, 10:12 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "kidkarter"The suspenders are killing me !  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  come on Matt give this poor girl some good news !!! Got my fingers crossed for you mel !!!

Lol. I'm going to get it tested anyway, I think given the unusual circumstances it is best to do a proper check.
Cheers dcod, will let you know. (My car's 2001)  s:) :) s:)

nathanMR2

#210
March 29, 2012, 10:24 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
But its a 2005 engine!
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kidkarter

#211
March 29, 2012, 10:27 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Good point nath well spotted !

dcod

#212
March 29, 2012, 10:31 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
2005, message received and understood, Gung Ho! Gung Ho!
Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"

I bought a "Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine" to lose weight. I put on five stone. I blame the delicious gravy it makes.

MelBee42

#213
March 29, 2012, 10:31 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "nathanMR2"But its a 2005 engine!
Lol, yeah. 2004 actually.  s;) ;) s;)

K T M Rider

#214
March 29, 2012, 10:31 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "dcod"Cool, let me know if/when you need them. What's the age of MelBee's car so I can check with Toyota that they are the same.

head gaskets and stretch bolts generally advertised on ebay as '1ZZ' rather than vehicle specific, so would be very surprised if Toyota say they are different.

Applicable Models

2000-2002 Chevrolet Prizm 1.8L VVT-i DOHC 16 Valve L4 Engine Code "1ZZ-FE", VIN Code "8"

2003-2008 Pontiac Vibe base 1.8L VVT-i DOHC 16 Valve L4 Engine Code "1ZZ-FE", VIN Code "8"

2000-2005 Toyota Celica GT 1.8L VVT-i DOHC 16 Valve L4 Engine Code "1ZZ-FE"

2000-2008 Toyota Corolla CE/LE/S/VE 1.8L VVT-i DOHC 16 Valve L4 Engine Code "1ZZ-FE"

2003-2008 Toyota Matrix base/XR 1.8L VVT-i DOHC 16 Valve L4 Engine Code "1ZZ-FE"

2000-2005 Toyota MR2 Spyder 1.8L VVT-i DOHC 16 Valve L4 Engine Code "1ZZ-FE"
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kidkarter

#215
March 29, 2012, 10:39 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Good job guys ! Personally i would much rather it got a set than not just to be sure and if we can get a new set cheap well !   s:D :D s:D

dcod

#216
March 29, 2012, 10:43 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
This is what monkeywrenchracing say about the head bolts.

QuoteHead bolt and washer set for all 1ZZ and 2ZZ engines. The head bolts are torque to yield meaning they stretch when installed and because of that they clamp less if they're reused. To avoid possible head gasket failure upgrade to ARP head studs (recommended for all modified 1ZZ/2ZZ engines) or replace with these new OEM toyota head bolts if doing a stock rebuild.
Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"

I bought a "Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine" to lose weight. I put on five stone. I blame the delicious gravy it makes.

aaronjb

#217
March 29, 2012, 11:03 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
The fact that the BGB doesn't mark them as Non-reusable parts (while it does mark many other parts as such) implies to me that they're not torque-to-yield as MWR say..

Also, the headgasket has multiple part numbers depending on year, for example:
11115   GASKET, CYLINDER HEAD
11115‑22040    (12/1999 - 06/2002)
11115‑22041    (07/2002 - 07/2002)
11115‑22041    (08/2002 - 01/2003)
11115‑22050    (02/2003 - 08/2005)

As do the head bolts:
11101A   BOLT(FOR CYLINDER HEAD SET)
90910‑02134 (-2002)
90910‑02152 (2003-)

That's not to say that aftermarket parts (e.g. ebay) don't eschew the differences, whatever they may be.
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kidkarter

#218
March 29, 2012, 11:36 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Ok so its debatable ? and please excuse my frankness, But it is my firm belief that they are not re-useable ! No matter what toyota or any parts list has to say ? It's what I was taught over 2 years of city and guilds courses (which i did pass with honours and distinctions) and i stand by it ! also we have day ! To put mels car right ! Do we really want to cut the corner that could be the cause over a few quids worth of bolts ??? And worse still leave her with her car in bits !!!!

dcod

#219
March 29, 2012, 11:37 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Just phoned Toyota and they list the part numbers as the same for 2004 MR2 and my mates parts.

They also said that new bolts are used if they don't torque up to the correct values. They advise to replace them to remove any doubt ... but they would wouldn't they   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"

I bought a "Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine" to lose weight. I put on five stone. I blame the delicious gravy it makes.

aaronjb

#220
March 29, 2012, 11:49 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "kidkarter"Ok so its debatable ? and please excuse my frankness, But it is my firm belief that they are not re-useable ! No matter what toyota or any parts list has to say ? It's what I was taught over 2 years of city and guilds courses (which i did pass with honours and distinctions) and i stand by it ! also we have day ! To put mels car right ! Do we really want to cut the corner that could be the cause over a few quids worth of bolts ??? And worse still leave her with her car in bits !!!!

[edit] You know what, I can't even be bothered to argue with you on technical issues, knock yourself out. But please knock the attitude off. "Excuse my frankness" is no excuse for being an ass.
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Anonymous

#221
March 29, 2012, 11:56 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
ok guys we still dont know if we actually need to lift the head yet. but it looks like mel has a cheap set she can buy if needed thanks to dcod

K T M Rider

#222
March 29, 2012, 12:08 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
have never replaced a car cylinder head gasket, but done it quite a few times on motorcycles, I always reused the old bolts and I  never had any issues.

just thought i'd throw that in there   s:) :) s:)
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uktotty

#223
March 29, 2012, 12:13 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Some heat bolts are stretch bolts (my Isuzu for one) you use them and bin them, as Aaron says, others are reusable, let's find out for sure before we get Mel to spend even more money!

kidkarter

#224
March 29, 2012, 12:24 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I apologize if I put your nose out of joint Aaron ? But its something I think we should be doing, be doing on any headgasket change with an alloy head, and on mels or not as the case may be ? I tryed the soft approach, And that was me trying to be as polite as possible, I think the point needed to be made ! I was trying to get myself heard that is all.
 "please excuse my frankness" I ment it !
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