traction control... ponderies,

stupink · November 25, 2015, 14:47

Racelogic have stopped making their TC.. so my plan is out the window!

This leaves me with a car I'm completely happy with, other than no TC, in a situation I may have to completely re-ECU/loom/map it when I don't really want to, just to get a ecu with TC....

I'm also pondering that the emanage ultimate has launch control, and if I could get a box to trigger on wheelspeed difference, and send a 0mph+full throttle signal to my emanage it would cut quite nicely... but how fast it would react I don't know... and i'm not good enough to make said box myself... anyone feel they could do that?

4dvti · November 26, 2015, 04:08

Hi

Try contacting Chris, owner of Whiteford-Davies Motorsport. He is an electrical genius.

I hope he's still trading. 07906 494622.

I wasn't aware of the Racelogic system being discontinued. I see that conten-miller are still selling it, unless they haven't updated their website yet.

m http://www.corten-miller.co.uk/Products/RaceLogic/ m

1979scotte · November 26, 2015, 06:58

Website says discontinued so anything available must be old stock.
Wonder why?
All the stand alone ecu have it built in I suppose?

stupink · November 26, 2015, 21:33

I'm gonna swap out the ECU now I think.... just bite the bullet and do it, won't cost me any more..

I spoke to racelogic and essentially yeah, their system was not being so profitable so got axed as they're making good money elsewhere, its not compatible with uber modern cars, and older cars already have it or are going to ECU's, its such a shame, but they simply couldn't get it produced at a financially worthwhile price to make selling a few worthwhile "at this time"... makes complete sense really... ECU it is.. i'll start another post now about that.

mrzwei · November 26, 2015, 23:11

I'm not really into this stuff but the post facelift SMT had traction control. I assume that is managed by the SMT ecu.

If that's of no use then 'post on' s:D

s:D

ChrisGB · November 26, 2015, 23:16

ECU is probably the best way to go. The Racelogic system may have thrown misfire codes on the stock ECU anyway.

Or buy some light weight shoes s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

4dvti · November 26, 2015, 23:35

I was recently recommended Syvecs by my tuner for the mr2. When I asked another user about the price it was in the region of £3000 supplied, fitted and mapped s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

I'd say just go for the ECU in your case.

stupink · November 26, 2015, 23:54

Looking at nabbing a mates autronic SM4, an older unit, but its not like its a modern car.

Any good articles or threads to read on fitting alternative ecu's to the 1zz? I recall reading you need the oem ECU for some funcitons still or something.... reading needed,, I will attack google this weekend s:)

s:)

ChrisGB · November 26, 2015, 23:57

Ive got the Link G4 Extreme running the 2GR-FE. The standard ECU is running the dashboard, rev counter and temperature as far as I know.

Anonymous · November 27, 2015, 07:37

Emerald were looking at doing traction control. Might be worth checking that out as the ecu can be had for £700 new

4dvti · November 27, 2015, 18:25

Shame you guys can't use Hondata. They do a great traction control system now. I've got a set on order for the K'd mr2.

stupink · November 27, 2015, 19:16

Quick one.... Anyone actually have traction control setup on theirs?? if so what ECU do you run s:)

s:)

tomaky · November 27, 2015, 19:24

As above the link storm has TC

ChrisGB · November 27, 2015, 21:40

The G4 extreme does tc, but I don't have it programmed. The viscous differential is quite manageable when the rears are overspeeding.

stupink · November 27, 2015, 22:44

Your definition of quite manageable may change if you were to have a play in mine, she likes to wheel spin in second gear even in a straight line when a bit damp, but only when you get up near the limiter, so you're doing 60mph by that point and "catching" a rear slide is somewhat demanding mentally and physically. means you have to go quite tame when considering anything not 100% straight.. and I'm sure the weather wont always allow me to do dry trackdays either.

I was kinda hoping to get some feedback on how good the TC is on different ECU, but I guess so few are getting any slip issues on a Good tyre like the AD08r out of first gear :-

tomaky · November 27, 2015, 23:22

Cant help with the experience with the link as unfortunately ive not driven it yet but the link g4 storm comes with TC and many other features.

tomaky · November 27, 2015, 23:22

Cant help with the experience with the link as unfortunately ive not driven it yet but the link g4 storm comes with TC and many other features.

ChrisGB · November 27, 2015, 23:50

Quote from: "stupink"Your definition of quite manageable may change if you were to have a play in mine, she likes to wheel spin in second gear even in a straight line when a bit damp, but only when you get up near the limiter, so you're doing 60mph by that point and "catching" a rear slide is somewhat demanding mentally and physically. means you have to go quite tame when considering anything not 100% straight.. and I'm sure the weather wont always allow me to do dry trackdays either.

I was kinda hoping to get some feedback on how good the TC is on different ECU, but I guess so few are getting any slip issues on a Good tyre like the AD08r out of first gear :-

The Emerald unit is not expensive and you can torque limit different amounts in each gear, which may help. The viscous differential tends to be quite progressive and doesn't shove the car off line much, Having said that, it will get lairy if you don't get on top of it immediately.

The 2GR will spin the rears R888s up in 2nd in the dry with ease. With a few heat cycles on them, wheelspin in 3rd in the dry will happen occasionally. If it's damp, spinning up in 4th is simple enough, even at 100mph. The big rotating mass of the V6 also means breaking traction on up changes can happen. On the plus side, the throttle mapping is very accurate and response immediate, so it is manageable. It does feel like a knife edge experience much of the time, but that's where the entertainment comes from. Finesse is the key. I'm sure I could go faster with a good TC system, but the challenge is more fun.

stupink · November 28, 2015, 12:31

Quite a few different options.. confused all over again s:)

s:)
I think the weirdest thing about mine, is normally its peak torque that spins up, so you get it quite low down, and expect it there, but mine doesn't seem to have enough torque to spin up other than in first and even then only in the wet, its only when we hit peak bhp that the tyres let go..

I think any TC would probably do the trick, so I guess its just a case of finding the most favourable overall ECU, the autronic my friend is selling is good, very good, but old.. so I'm not sure if a lesser but newer would be "better".. technology is moving at strange rates.

Mark A · November 28, 2015, 15:40

Syvecs is a quality ECU, i'm sure you could pick one up for a grand on one of the other forums.

ChrisGB · November 28, 2015, 16:17

Quote from: "stupink"Quite a few different options.. confused all over again s:) s:)
I think the weirdest thing about mine, is normally its peak torque that spins up, so you get it quite low down, and expect it there, but mine doesn't seem to have enough torque to spin up other than in first and even then only in the wet, its only when we hit peak bhp that the tyres let go...

Interesting, a bit of boost creep upping the torque at the top end perhaps?

4dvti · November 28, 2015, 18:01

Quote from: "Mark A"Syvecs is a quality ECU, i'm sure you could pick one up for a grand on one of the other forums.

Perhaps for an older model - I'm not too clued up on the various options- But I was told ~£3000 for Syvecs supplied, fitted and mapped for me.

ChrisGB · November 28, 2015, 21:17

Definitely speak to Emerald, just reading through the ECU software configuration manual, there are setup screens for wheel speed sensors for launch and traction control.

Anonymous · November 28, 2015, 21:40

If you do go emerald and want a base map give me a shout and ill send you mine.

stupink · November 29, 2015, 11:24

Cheers,
I'm back to thinking I want racelogic(while I appreciate DET control is not utilised at higher RPM, I still feel its something i'm not ready to loose just yet, and no aftermarket seems to have a good system yet unless spending £££££££).... going to keep my peepers open for a second hand sale. and just hope to not crash in the meanwhile... I can spend the time finally getting my brakes conversion finished, as I've done 80% of the work now, but not a single bit is actually on the car :p