Piggy back ecu's etc

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pistol pete

October 19, 2016, 16:35 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I been looking at what i can do to the 1zz..

i was looking through the post of what power etc people are getting..

Where can i get a piggy back, whats required? does it give noticable differences?

cheers
pete

shnazzle

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October 19, 2016, 16:54 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
You'd only really use a piggyback if you made changes to the car that could change the setup.

So if you added a free flowing exhaust (sports manifold, sports cat, exhaust) and changed the intake, or added sports cams, then the car would benefit from a standalone or piggyback ECU.

For a stock car, all it can possible do is redistribute the power a bit. Flatten out the torque curve to give a bit more midrange. Barely noticeable.

I've got intake and exhaust mods and a piggyback and the difference is only really noticeable next to a stock mr2.
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pistol pete

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October 19, 2016, 17:18 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "shnazzle"You'd only really use a piggyback if you made changes to the car that could change the setup.

So if you added a free flowing exhaust (sports manifold, sports cat, exhaust) and changed the intake, or added sports cams, then the car would benefit from a standalone or piggyback ECU.

For a stock car, all it can possible do is redistribute the power a bit. Flatten out the torque curve to give a bit more midrange. Barely noticeable.

I've got intake and exhaust mods and a piggyback and the difference is only really noticeable next to a stock mr2.


I will have lightened flywheel, de cat, precats removed, air filter.. and anything else i can get away with.. (its for sprint car so any extra i can get will be helpful)

not allowed cams.  s:( :( s:(

cptspaulding

#3
October 19, 2016, 17:52 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
How would they ever know you uprated the cams? I'm not advocating cheating, rather I'm wondering how they can monitor what cams are in your engine?

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shnazzle

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October 19, 2016, 19:04 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
If anything, you respect the rules out of honor for the game.

In that case, I can recommend the emanage blue or ultimate with injector and ignition harness. Then take it to a good mapping place. It will free up a few ponies and put the power where it's best used for your purposes.
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pistol pete

#5
October 19, 2016, 20:29 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "shnazzle"If anything, you respect the rules out of honor for the game.

In that case, I can recommend the emanage blue or ultimate with injector and ignition harness. Then take it to a good mapping place. It will free up a few ponies and put the power where it's best used for your purposes.


thanks..

yeah its pretty much the engine has to stay stock.. but looks like i am allowed to go 2zz.. its all about not allowing the engine to be opened up.. but this may change as the rules are going to be tweeked to try and get more interest from modified cars to come and join..


how much should i expect ot pay to get one and map it up?

and wheres the best place to purchase?

thanks
Pete

pistol pete

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October 19, 2016, 20:42 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
would this work? and give the gains?
who would be able to map this?

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thanks

shnazzle

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October 19, 2016, 21:07 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
... Out of all the options... Haha.

We've got a dastek in one of our cars and have no complaints other than that it's damn near impossible to find a good mapper.
I wouldn't if I were you.
Also, unichipQ is the one you'd want, and this isn't it.

Mapping is usually around the 100gbp per hour mark. Usually lasting 3-4hrs depending on the work required.

If you get an emanage, there are some good base maps available on here that you could use and tweak yourself if you're confident.
...neutiquam erro.

pistol pete

#8
October 19, 2016, 21:42 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Yeah i just browsing ebay.. that unichip not necessarily the one just look what else is avail..

Emanage looks fair available from america so again a good option..

but by the time buying it and mapping and fitting.. might as well pay a bit more and go 2zz is kinda the feeling i am getting.. (but i need to confirm i can go 2zz in my group!!)  s:) :) s:)

shnazzle

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October 20, 2016, 10:52 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Absolutely. I was very lucky and got an emanage with a good map pre-loaded. Had to tweak the intake a bit to match the map (panel filter and markiii elbow pipe) but after that it certainly made the car a bit quicker in comparison to stock mr2s.

A good 2zz install will put you back at least double the cost of the piggyback and mapping though. Unless you can weld exhausts yourself.
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MilesH

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October 20, 2016, 16:19 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Is there a preffered favourite over Apexi and e-manange witha 1zz or is it all personal preference?

1979scotte

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October 20, 2016, 16:33 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Pete there 2 good unichip mappers that spring to mind.
Redline tunning essex way and Headcase knows a guy that works out of rye on the old summo power dyno.
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shnazzle

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October 20, 2016, 18:13 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Apexi is by far better. It's standalone. But you do lose your immobiliser.

Emanage is just easy. Even the software is easy to use (allegedly) so tweaking a map isn't so much a science with it.
Dastek unichips offer a very feature-rich platform, but is harder to map and there have been issues with them overheating and basically becoming bricks. Rare though.

Forgot not everybody lives up north Haha. If you're near Essex or Aberdeen you're near some of the best unichip tuners
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Essex2Visuvesi

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October 20, 2016, 18:28 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "shnazzle"Apexi is by far better. It's standalone. But you do lose your immobiliser.

Emanage is just easy. Even the software is easy to use (allegedly) so tweaking a map isn't so much a science with it.
Dastek unichips offer a very feature-rich platform, but is harder to map and there have been issues with them overheating and basically becoming bricks. Rare though.

Forgot not everybody lives up north Haha. If you're near Essex or Aberdeen you're near some of the best unichip tuners

The Apexi is better by far but on the way to double the price by the time you have the PC cables and software

MilesH

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October 20, 2016, 19:05 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "Essex2Visuvesi"
Quote from: "shnazzle"Apexi is by far better. It's standalone. But you do lose your immobiliser.

Emanage is just easy. Even the software is easy to use (allegedly) so tweaking a map isn't so much a science with it.
Dastek unichips offer a very feature-rich platform, but is harder to map and there have been issues with them overheating and basically becoming bricks. Rare though.

Forgot not everybody lives up north Haha. If you're near Essex or Aberdeen you're near some of the best unichip tuners

The Apexi is better by far but on the way to double the price by the time you have the PC cables and software

Thanks both  s:) :) s:)

1979scotte

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October 20, 2016, 19:20 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Caution with the apexi you loose your knock sensor which bothers me as well as the extra cost of an immobiliser.
Tbh if money is an issue then piggy back is the way to go if money is no object then something a bit more fully featured than the PFC would be the way i would go.
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andy bird

#16
October 21, 2016, 09:55 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
have fuel computers such as the Blitz R FIT or S-AFC gone out of favour nowadays?  I used to run one on my 200sx which had a full exhaust and decat, induction kit, front mount and a boost hike to 17psi from 7psi and I got the power to a solid 292bhp from 200bhp

Essex2Visuvesi

#17
October 21, 2016, 10:11 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "1979scotte"Caution with the apexi you loose your knock sensor which bothers me as well as the extra cost of an immobiliser.
Tbh if money is an issue then piggy back is the way to go if money is no object then something a bit more fully featured than the PFC would be the way i would go.

The Haltech seems a good option, and not much more expensive than the Power FC

andy bird

#18
October 21, 2016, 10:37 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
why not run a fuel computer then use the factory knock sensor to pull ignition timing on boost to prevent knock?  would that work?

andy bird

#19
October 21, 2016, 13:29 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
my idea would be to run a fuel computer but no ignition control as the TTE or PE one doesn't either from memory.  Install the CAPs MAF mod so you have the 2ZZ injectors running.  This will allow closed loop running of the car as nature intended.  Then when boosting the fuel computer will provide the additional fuel required and given it is in open loop at this point the ECU will not try to cancel out your changes.  If it starts to show some knock I could add water injection which is great at supressing knock and maybe add a little methanol to the mix  s:) :) s:)    Its a toy car for me so daily drive problems arn't an issue.

shnazzle

#20
October 21, 2016, 15:08 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Seems like running bigger injectors is against the rules anyway.
I guess it's either a full engine replacement or not  s:) :) s:)

Boost is certainly not on the table for Pete anyway.

I still reckon emanage+ignition+injection harness will get you what you want. Or rather, it will give you all the car can give. A good mapper can make sure that the long term fuel trims aren't overriding your map. If not, there are ways via little mods.

I'd only really consider apexi and the costs of that if going 2zz.
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pistol pete

#21
October 21, 2016, 21:15 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Thanks guys.. some great ideas.. and thoughts..

It all depends what i do for future, and if i want to move classes
Very trmpted by a boosted 1zz.. but also tempted by a v6... or a 2zz i just cannot decide which route ill be takeing.. would love to 2 gr.. but thats big money...

pistol pete

#22
October 21, 2016, 21:16 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I suspect i will either go 1zz boosted or 2zz... i found i can change to 2zz and stay jn my group...

Might give patrick a ring see whatnhe sugests as been offered a tsport for not many monies

andy bird

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October 21, 2016, 22:57 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
No intercooler or ecu mod?

200bhp

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Essex2Visuvesi

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October 22, 2016, 00:07 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "andy bird"No intercooler or ecu mod?

200bhp

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There are a few shortcomings with the kit which I am addressing by adding a chargecooler, Bigger Injectors and a piggy back ECU
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