MeisterR settings

[Nvy]

Okie, back to this topic i have more than 500 kms on the coils. I dislike my suspension at the moment.. few points to mention:

1. The car is bouncy no matter what damping i set it at. If i set it to too stiff the front bounces off the road.
2. It doesnt inspire any confidence what so ever.
3. Preload was not touch when installing.
4. I was expecting harsh ride but not bouncy. On my civic the car was bouncy at first but after stiffening the dampers it got fixed.

Seems like the coilovers are under performing.. Im no expert and i do have some experience only with my civic's coils but the story is a whole different coz of the front mounted engine. Anybody else care to share their experience?

[Call the midlife!]

I think if you haven't already then you need to be putting these questions to Meister, it's always possible you've got a rogue set of badly made ones as your issues seem to be more unique to your installation.


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[shnazzle]

Okie, back to this topic i have more than 500 kms on the coils. I dislike my suspension at the moment.. few points to mention:

1. The car is bouncy no matter what damping i set it at. If i set it to too stiff the front bounces off the road.
2. It doesnt inspire any confidence what so ever.
3. Preload was not touch when installing.
4. I was expecting harsh ride but not bouncy. On my civic the car was bouncy at first but after stiffening the dampers it got fixed.

Seems like the coilovers are under performing.. Im no expert and i do have some experience only with my civic's coils but the story is a whole different coz of the front mounted engine. Anybody else care to share their experience?

Which end feels unsettled?

1. There is physically no way the car can bounce more on 5/7 springs and very low rebound setting. The springs are harder to compress and if you have the rebound set very low, it takes SO long for them to decompress that there is no way it can bounce the car up. I suspect what you're perceiving as "bounce" is actually deflection off the road surface. I.e. The suspension is too hard for the surface you're on. I encounter this regularly on very bumpy b-roads. Someone on stock suspension would outperform me no problem as they can absorb the rough road while my chassis deflects off the bumps.
So you're right, it makes for an unsettling ride. But.. On smoother "normal" roads with a sociable level of road defects, the levels of balance and grip are incomparable. It's a compromise. If you see more bumpy roads, you're definitely better off with different coilies or KYB+Tein springs or the like.

2. Covered above.
3. You'd know if it was too tight (no compliance at all and teeth rattled out) or too lose (rattling and crashing noises). All good.
4. See 1

I realise that doesn't help at all but I'd be temped to set it to full hard and after every drive (with a decent amoubt of corners) turn it down one notch until you get to near full soft. Hopefully that "works" it in and should only take a few days

[wotugonado]

Am I reading this correct
Wound all the way to full stiff setting 0 and your winding it 22 clicks ?

[Nvy]

Am I reading this correct
Wound all the way to full stiff setting 0 and your winding it to 22 clicks ?

At the moment im on full soft. But yeah, the above is right.

[wotugonado]

Blimey.
Sounds like your way to soft.

Hard is 0 soft is 32

And your on 22

Mid point would be 16 and your 6 clicks past this into the soft setting, I'd try dialing it right back

http://www.meisterr.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/MeisterR-Manual.pdf

[Petrus]

Buenos dias Ivo,

As was observed before; ´bouncy´ at the front is subjective. It can be too hard springs, too hard damping, anything in between to a mistaken observation.

Have you contacted MeisterR or read/followed their instructions.

[Nvy]

Buenos dias Ivo,

As was observed before; ´bouncy´ at the front is subjective. It can be too hard springs, too hard damping, anything in between to a mistaken observation.

Have you contacted MeisterR or read/followed their instructions.

Yeah, read and contacted. It was suggested i stiffen up the damping but that makes it even worse. Ill give it a go once more.

[shnazzle]

Stupid question maybe but did you get a proper alignment done after fitting?

[Petrus]

Yeah, read and contacted. It was suggested i stiffen up the damping but that makes it even worse. Ill give it a go once more.

Their point being that the 5 kg springs need matching damping.

It may be that the set up is a bit firm to your taste for your local roads? Have you had someone else used to comp. type setups try the car?

[1979scotte]

The only time mine feels bouncy is when it's set too soft.

[Nvy]

Yeah, read and contacted. It was suggested i stiffen up the damping but that makes it even worse. Ill give it a go once more.

Their point being that the 5 kg springs need matching damping.

It may be that the set up is a bit firm to your taste for your local roads? Have you had someone else used to comp. type setups try the car?

A guy that is doing fairly well on every event that we have in Bulgaria(top 5 all the time) said that the springs are too soft. I dont mind stiff suspension coz i had 8gen civic with coilovers and believe me that car was not rolling at all with coils set to 10 clicks from stiffest settings.

How would you describe firm?

When i set the damping to say 10-15 clicks from stiff and i go over a tiny imperfection of the road where my other car(Mazda 6) would not bounce at all but will just absorb it, the roadster bounces so much that my foot gets off the gas. If thats the expected behavior than i have it but if its not then i have to find the problem. The tricky part with it is that there are not many knowledgeable ppl that are willing to help around here. I just have the feedback from the guy who tried my car.

With the TTE i never had this to be honest.

[Petrus]

One thing Ivo; the MR2 does not have a lot of weight up front.
Now, there is no reason why a proper set up should result in bouncy but the same bumps will have more effect on a lighter car than on a heavier.

As to ´bouncy´.
This can mean the car being bounced UP by a bump or.
The car bouncing back by rebound.
It really is quite impossible to remote cure by proxy through unclear definition/perception.

The only answer can be:
1. Follow manufacturer instructions.
2. Contact manufacturer.
3. Seek suspension specialist help. Yes that will mean paying for their time/expertise.

I am sorry that more specific help is nigh impossible regardless of the good intentions.

[Nvy]

Stupid question maybe but did you get a proper alignment done after fitting?

Not stupid but yeah i got alignment. The car was rly scary after everything was replaced

Front toe +0.5
-2.2 both sides

Rear toe +3
-2.2 both sides

[shnazzle]

Just picking up on something you said there; what are you using this car for?
If you're doing track work, ghymkana, touge, that kind of stuff.. You may be absolutely right. You may need to look at 10/12kg springs and appropriate dampers.

I was assuming day to day driving, normal road undulations and potholes etc.

[Nvy]

One thing Ivo; the MR2 does not have a lot of weight up front.
Now, there is no reason why a proper set up should result in bouncy but the same bumps will have more effect on a lighter car than on a heavier.

As to ´bouncy´.
This can mean the car being bounced UP by a bump or.
The car bouncing back by rebound.
It really is quite impossible to remote cure by proxy through unclear definition/perception.

The only answer can be:
1. Follow manufacturer instructions.
2. Contact manufacturer.
3. Seek suspension specialist help. Yes that will mean paying for their time/expertise.

I am sorry that more specific help is nigh impossible regardless of the good intentions.

I get that, thanks for trying! Ill try to get some guys around here to have a look. They are racing in GT3 so i guess they have some expertise. Its rly hard to get them do anything specific to other cars tho.

[Nvy]

Just picking up on something you said there; what are you using this car for?
If you're doing track work, ghymkana, touge, that kind of stuff.. You may be absolutely right. You may need to look at 10/12kg springs and appropriate dampers.

I was assuming day to day driving, normal road undulations and potholes etc.

Using the car as a daily at the moment to get used to it. Later this year will do some track days but want to set it up right before crashing it again in a wall. Your assumption is right.