Turbo Kit Identifcation

[thetyrant]

Ok i picked up a turbo kit for my 2 yesterday and just trying to work out exactly what it is!  ive looked at all images i can find of various setups and it looks like this might be hybrid of the TTE kit and possibly the SP240 kit ?,   finding info/details and pictures of these kits now they are so old is proving difficult but parts on this seem very well made and looking forward to getting it all fitted.

I have some pictures ive just taken of the kit i have which i will put below, but first a picture from herecomesthewifes thread on here about jack the Sp240 turbo which looks like same setup i have, certainly manifold, exhaust downpipe and intake pipework anyhows, are these SP240 kit parts as look much better than stock TTE kit ?



And engine bay shot before i removed the kit i have..



here is complete kit of parts ive got


Manifold



Intercooler


If anyone can shed any light on it much appreciated, i will be doing a build thread soon once i get started on it all

[s12vea]

It's an Silverstone performance turbo kit running low boost due to  standard injectors

You bought from Patrick rogue I'm guessing

It will need larger injectors uprated clutch and remap to increase power to 230 ish bhp

[1979scotte]

It's an Silverstone performance turbo kit running low boost due to  standard injectors

You bought from Patrick rogue I'm guessing

It will need larger injectors uprated clutch and remap to increase power to 230 ish bhp

Except its got a link ecu. Which is way more advanced than the unichip piggyback the SP240 came with.

Ditch the intercooler they're pants.

[thetyrant]

It's an Silverstone performance turbo kit running low boost due to  standard injectors

You bought from Patrick rogue I'm guessing

It will need larger injectors uprated clutch and remap to increase power to 230 ish bhp

Thanks I thought so, is the SP kit a hybrid of the TTE kit or totally separate do you know ?

Yes I took it off a car that Patrick@Rogue had bought, turns out when I was removing I found that it isn't on stock injectors either which was an added bonus:D no wonder it made 173hp at the hubs on safe map .... not sure exactly what the injectors are yet need to do some research on the numbers on them.

Clutch will need doing for sure, I may yet install it all on stock clutch to make sure everything works ok then do clutch afterwards, we will see.

[thetyrant]

Except its got a link ecu. Which is way more advanced than the unichip piggyback the SP240 came with.

Ditch the intercooler they're pants.

Yep got the Link G4 storm all wired in with AEM wideband etc so plenty of scope

Will be going chargecooler in future but will see how the intake temps are on this IC to get everything up and running.

[1979scotte]

The ic is not great and you'll end up paying for mapping twice.

Sp kit was based on tte turbo. Should be a tb2559. Old hat these days.

[s12vea]

Looking at the dyno print a stock clutch should be fine.
Handy if injectors are bigger than stock. They need to be at least 440cc for for bigger boost

[thetyrant]

Hmm not sure on the injectors now!, initially when removing I could see they were blue and loom connectors had been changed which led me to believe they are not stock,  I knew mine were green but on searching for more info on these blue ones it seems some later 1zz cars did get blue ones of more or less same capacity!

I know colour is not identification in itself but I thought they were all green and seeing that someone had modified harness/connectors I took them as being non standard spec, it seems that might not be the case though as ive just popped my coil cover off and checked the harness connectors which are same as these blue injectors!, looks like at some point in its life the car this turbo kit came from has had different injectors which required connector changed, but stock connectors are now fitted though.

They could still be larger capacity and the power it supposedly made on dyno would tie up with that, however the number on injector ive yet to find a match online to see what cc it is, I cant get into map on Ecu to see what setting are on that either until I can get it powered up and source a cable to connect to it.

Mystery continues! but will expect to have to upgrade the injectors I think, if I get lucky and these are higher capacity its a bonus.

For reference the Injectors are branded Denso (well 1 i can make out is at least other 3 it looks like something beginning with A ?? ), all blue in colour and number on denso item is 0150 429 19 if anyone can help identify them ?  pics below

Denso branded one pic




Other 3 same colour and looks same externally identical brand on them looks like something beginning with letter A ??

[1979scotte]

Surely you can't run different injectors in the same engine.

Can't search that part no.

[thetyrant]

The ic is not great and you'll end up paying for mapping twice.

Sp kit was based on tte turbo. Should be a tb2559. Old hat these days.

Im mapping myself as required so not an issue that, I just want to get it up and running and then work on chargecooler once im happy.

How much of SP kit was changed from TTE kit?  I can see the intake is very different on TTE as that's uses the stock airbox setup. also downpipe/exhaust different as TTE used the stock cat looking at TTE install manual but this kit has a very different layout, I think rear silencer has been changed on this to custom spec but downpipe and cat looks like they might of been  SP spec ?

Non of this really matter I just like to know what im starting with

[thetyrant]

Surely you can't run different injectors in the same engine.

Can't search that part no.

I think injectors are all same spec just the branding/marking different which ive seen before, I might send them off to clean and flow test as I cant find anything from that part number

[shnazzle]

173hp at crank? That's well within stock injector range.
They look like the "newer" injectors of same spec. More holes I believe. Someone here was putting them on a stock setup in the hope it would lead to more power/efficiency. I believe it did nowt. As expected.

Tbh, I'd not run this kit at 230. It's much more suited to 180-190 at crank. If you want more, do yourself a favour and replace the turbo with something more suitable. 180hp then also makes thst intercooler a bit more useful. 230hp is too much for that IC. That's not my opinion. That's measured fact.

So, take the kit. Run it at 6psi. Map it for driveability and smooth transitions over time. Not top end power and nothing else. It makes for a very unpleasant day to day driver.
Potential here for a very smooth and safe turbo kit with almost unnoticeable lag.

[thetyrant]

173hp at crank? That's well within stock injector range.
They look like the "newer" injectors of same spec. More holes I believe. Someone here was putting them on a stock setup in the hope it would lead to more power/efficiency. I believe it did nowt. As expected.

Tbh, I'd not run this kit at 230. It's much more suited to 180-190 at crank. If you want more, do yourself a favour and replace the turbo with something more suitable. 180hp then also makes thst intercooler a bit more useful. 230hp is too much for that IC. That's not my opinion. That's measured fact.

So, take the kit. Run it at 6psi. Map it for driveability and smooth transitions over time. Not top end power and nothing else. It makes for a very unpleasant day to day driver.
Potential here for a very smooth and safe turbo kit with almost unnoticeable lag.

Yes it does look like they are the new stock rate units but would be nice to confirm so I know the limits, I would like to get this kit to sit around 190-200hp at the crank smooth and reliably, im not interested in making anymore than that at this stage as aware of how much more is required to get that to work properly, also i think 200 should be a sweet spot for chassis and as you say making a peaky car is not a fun car.

Dynapack graph I have (see below) shows it 173hp at the hubs not crank,  im told that was on the kit exactly as removed so I questioned the fuelling as to me that's more like 225hp at the crank! (usually around x1.3 ratio on a dynapack hub to crank number)  which to me the stock injectors wouldn't do safely ?  especially on a returnless fuel system like this.

[1979scotte]

Stock injectors won't do 225 crank not a chance.
Get some 440 injectors.

I liked my SP240 made 235 crank rocket ship it was.
I just wanted more and with piggyback and intercooler being a bit pants seemed better to move it on than modify. Also as Dan proved you can put something better together for not much more money using the ecumaster group buy.
Those turbos are proper old fitted to saab 9000.

[s12vea]

The above setup will be fun just install check everything works and enjoy for a bit.

[thetyrant]

Yes not the newest tech out there but If I can get around 200 reliable/drivable crank hp It will do for now until I decide if im going to go any further, I know I can go chargercooler and up boost or change turbo and get 230+ hp if I want to but in no rush to do that.

Ive spent many years in past chasing numbers and now in my old age im just after something brisk I can use without too much hassle, last forced induction setup I built was on M X 5 with supercharger from a mini cooperS, initial setup was 190hp and bullet proof on road and track, got greedy after a year of that so fitted a bigger charger which pushed it upto 240hp but it was never as nice to drive as with smaller charger, ended back to stock and sold after 6months.

I got a reasonable deal on this kit I think (lot less than advertised) and with the G4+ Ecu, EP baffled sump (selling that I think) and other bits I think I would of struggled to build up something similar for same sort of price as I did the numbers before committing to this setup, hopefully I don't regret it!

The Elise Parts baffled sump I think I will sell as I think the oil return fitting is too low and more suitedto the 2zz n/a motor it was designed for, so rather than fit another higher up I might as well drill my pretty new stock sump and get some money back from the EP sump.

[1979scotte]

These turbo cars don't like the oil return being too low that's for sure. And if its for the road shouldn't need it.

[thetyrant]

These turbo cars don't like the oil return being too low that's for sure. And if its for the road shouldn't need it.

Yes that was my thinking, It will be going on track but mainly short sprint events so extra baffles over stock shouldn't be an issue, I will be adding an oil cooler to increase capacity/cooling etc once all up an running.

[thetyrant]

Nearly ready to start installing this lot and will get a thread up soon, just to close off the injector/power mystery I sent the injectors off to be cleaned and flow tested to see what we had.

Just had the report and it was good news and bad news, mostly bad news really lol.... first the good news they are not stock and all flowed over 425cc which explains car making 220+ hp with this kit, also good news is 2 of them are genuine Denso and flowed 468cc, now the bad news the other 2 are suspected cheap Chinese copies and one flowed 456cc other 426cc!....so they are going in the bin and I will get a new set of 440cc or similar.

[s12vea]

Wise move replacing them all, you can install the new set with confidence and then tweak the map accordingly.
Looking forward to the build thread

[thetyrant]

Indeed not worth risking it when that far apart on flow, probably go with some new VXR Bosch 470cc and adaptors as cheapest quality option, although one my suppliers has some DeatschWerks 440cc plug and play so will see if I can get a deal on them as another option.

[Ardent]

I know nothing of these things. But binning unknowns for a set of knowns is always going to be the right move. Later if not immediately.

[thetyrant]

Yes indeed I agree, not even going to bother getting them sent back to me and I will just buy new ones ready for when kit goes on.

[1979scotte]

Well done you're doing the right thing. What twit was running the car on injectors with 3 different flows ffs?

[thetyrant]

We don't know who fitted them probably first place that fitted the turbo kit but I don't know who that was, he has been lucky not to lean out on that low flow injector and probably running a little richer everywhere else to compensate.

Got some new Bosch 470cc ordered this morning just need to get some plug adaptors now.


Wait till you see the state of the air filter I took of the car, surprised it even ran if that's badly clogged!.....I guess being tucked behind rear light makes it hard to inspect but its well overdue an inspection and I doubt it will clean up now so probably replace that as well!