Back end sliding

Anonymous · December 14, 2005, 12:05

Really worried about my back end consistently sliding out when cornering. I have good brigestone tyres on with plenty of tread, but thinking of getting rid due to the saftey of the car. Anyone experience similar or know how to combat?

Anonymous · December 14, 2005, 12:31

You going to need to tell us a bit more about the tyres you know.

Do know what size? type of trend. Are you driving round the corners hard? What type of corners are you doing? Roundabouts? 90 degree turns? Is it raining? Have you lowered the car? Are your springs and shocks ok? Give as much info as possible. Also have you checked the bridgestone web site for more in about the tyres? Are they the right ones for your car and wheel size???

help us to help you s:D

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Anonymous · December 14, 2005, 18:30

My tires had heat cycled out long before the tread wore out.

kanujunkie · December 14, 2005, 20:29

there's this thing under your right foot, i think its called the accelerator, try pushing it gently, its not an on/off switch!!!

stock bridgestones are about the best in the present conditions so you need to back off a bit, theres just too much crud and ice on the road at the mo, engage granny mode for a few months before you end up in a ditch!

aaronjb · December 14, 2005, 20:32

Quote from: "kanujunkie"there's this thing under your right foot, i think its called the accelerator, try pushing it gently, its not an on/off switch!!!

s:lol: :lol: s:lol: Pot, meet Kettle... s;)

s;)

kanujunkie · December 14, 2005, 21:02

Quote from: "aaronjb"s:lol: :lol: s:lol: Pot, meet Kettle... s;) s;)

yeah but i enjoy it! s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

Anonymous · December 15, 2005, 08:18

I'm guessing this is your first mid/rear engine rear drive car?

I would put it down to experience (apologies if it sounds patronising); a lot of my friends make fun of me when I say that the MR2 obeys different laws of physics to their Fiats, Mercedes and Fords but it's true.

Anonymous · December 15, 2005, 09:29

Hey Batts,

My 2 is still on the stock Bridgestones also, and the back end has been particularly "lively" the last 6 weeks or so. This is my first winter with the 2, and it has been an adjustment after 15 or so years of FWD cars..... s:D

s:D

I honestly don't think a change of tyres will make it any better, just a gentle and progressive throttle foot....I am personally loving rediscovering the "fun" of RWD in the wet and slippery stuff s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: BUT in the right time and place.

I am extremely mindful of the handling of the 2 on dark, greasy, unknown country roads.....hope you grow to love the friskiness of your car, it's crap when you are nervous of your vehicle s:cry: :cry: s:cry:

Anonymous · December 15, 2005, 10:54

My two is all over the shop recently, much more than previous winters.

Lots of leaves, cold and damp, its (mostly) a lot of fun.

Like today when I went round a roundabout turned (at slow speed) and just carried on going in the previous direction, untill the back end decided to overtake the front. nowhere near hitting anything though. All part and parcel of the car, otherwise I'd be driving an Audi or something.

Can somebody explain to me what:
"My tires had heat cycled out long before the tread wore out."
means?

mg · December 15, 2005, 10:58

I have to say that I was expecting rear grip to be poor this year but so far. I have been pleasantly surprised. So much so, in fact, I was wondering if I was down on power (I'm not - in fact the opposite with a mapped Unichip). Mr. T has made some significant improvements in handling between my first MR2 (02) and my current 05 model. I spun my first 02 twice within 3 days, both 360's in hard packed snow. Even in the wet, I was often caught out with the rear breaking free under moderate turning/acceleration. The 05 has much more grip (and probably my throttle skill has improved as well) contributing to a much better driving experience.

Smooth action is the key to staying on the black stuff.

aaronjb · December 15, 2005, 11:06

Quote from: "odub""My tires had heat cycled out long before the tread wore out."

You can have plenty of tread left, but if the rubber compound has heat cycled (gone cold->hot->cold) too many times then it'll turn very very hard, and lose most of it's grip properties.

That seems to apply especially to the stock RE040s (though it applies to all tyres) - the harder you drive, the more likely to happen.

When I got my car it had stock RE040s on with a reasonable amount of tread, but the grip (especially wet) was abysmal.

BTW - did I see you t'other morning odub? Black, can't remember the reg now though.. gah! s:)

s:)

Anonymous · December 15, 2005, 11:52

Erm, possbily, where abouts did you think you saw me?

mrsmr2 · December 15, 2005, 12:58

Quote from: "batts09"Really worried about my back end consistently sliding out when cornering. I have good brigestone tyres on with plenty of tread, but thinking of getting rid due to the saftey of the car. Anyone experience similar or know how to combat?

I would check the pressures first. The roads are bad and the rear will squirm if you use too many revs in tight corners but, the car's natural tendency is still to understeer.

Jason

Gazz · December 15, 2005, 13:01

My 2 is also still on the original Bridgestones and its been very twitchy the last 6 or 7 weeks, so much so I ended up parked in a field s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

Could be the weather or is it 'cos they've done nearly 20000 miles.

BTW this is my 1st post and I'd just like to say what an excellent forum with some superb advice and friendly people. s:D

s:D

roger · December 15, 2005, 14:12

Quote from: "Gazz"Could be the weather or is it 'cos they've done nearly 20000 miles.

I think you have probably answered it yourself. Put an AND in place of the OR. May be time for a new set, or think about waiting for the warmer drier weather.

Gazz · December 15, 2005, 15:10

Yeah Roger, it looks time for a set of Toyo T1-R's

mrsmr2 · December 15, 2005, 16:09

Quote from: "Gazz"My 2 is also still on the original Bridgestones and its been very twitchy the last 6 or 7 weeks, so much so I ended up parked in a field s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

Could be the weather or is it 'cos they've done nearly 20000 miles.

BTW this is my 1st post and I'd just like to say what an excellent forum with some superb advice and friendly people. s:D s:D

My RE040s were squirmy after 15k miles - they were on the last few millimetres of tread.

I'm not surprised. Never managed to be even close to a spin on the road though - what did you do?

Jason

philster_d · December 15, 2005, 16:26

Sometimes its the camber of the road

Gazz · December 15, 2005, 16:34

It was a freezing foggy morning and I was on a back road on the way to work, went over a hump back bridge, accelerated on the other side and the next thing I know I'm off the road. Luckily it was just wasteland at the side of the road, no kerbs or ditches. But I did hit an abandoned tyre that damaged the front bodywork but apart from that no other damage.

It was amazing how quick it happened and at low speed too. I think it was probably a combination of ice and worn tyres.

Thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it s:!: :!: s:!:

mrsmr2 · December 15, 2005, 16:58

The car could have been unsettled from the bridge, did you boot it as soon as you "landed"?

Jason

Gazz · December 15, 2005, 18:20

I didn't "Land", its a narrow bridge and blind until you hit the brow so I was hardly moving, but yes, I may have stamped on the accelerator a little too enthusiastically.

Well, we're all allowed one silly mistake !!

aaronjb · December 15, 2005, 18:20

Quote from: "Gazz"Well, we're all allowed one silly mistake !!

Hell, I hope we're all allowed to make more than one, or I'm stuffed! s;)

s;)

mrsmr2 · December 15, 2005, 20:14

Quote from: "aaronjb"
Quote from: "Gazz"Well, we're all allowed one silly mistake !!

Hell, I hope we're all allowed to make more than one, or I'm stuffed! s;) s;)

And me, I grounded mine being a little too enthusiastic on a hump back birdge. Dented the bottom of the exhaust manifold and put a few nasty deep scratches in it as well.

Jason

PS wasn't being judgemental about the driving, just keen to know what happened.

Anonymous · December 16, 2005, 09:44

Whilst we're on the subject of grounding,

I often touch the bottom of the car going over speed bump in London.

Is it possbile to do damage to the car? I know the chassis rails sit quite low, but i'm talking about <5 mph here.

spit · December 16, 2005, 10:33

I've also wondered about this, but my last venture under the car didn't reveal any damage. Most of the more delicate stuff is nicely tucked away - although I guess it better not to bash it if you can help it s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

The underbody chassis parts are pretty substantial so they're not likely to suffer from a low-speed grounding, particularly if all four wheels are on the ground and sharing the load s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

(Those "speed cushions" are a pain though.....whoever came up with them should be sued for any low-speed damage s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )