Nos?

Anonymous · April 20, 2006, 02:04

Whos fitted it to the 2'?

what are the reliablity issues like?

Im guessing using 25bhp jet should be ok?

I can pick up a kit for £350 and just thinking should i shouldnt i?

markiii · April 20, 2006, 05:31

biggest issue will be insuring it

Slacey · April 20, 2006, 08:21

Adam (Jap GT300) runs NOS on his 2ZZ conversion. At least he did at some point!

Anonymous · April 20, 2006, 12:02

Have you seen what that stuff does if you have a major smash ?? Adios Amigo !!!

Anonymous · April 20, 2006, 12:22

I don't understand people who get NOS fitted unless they are in a film, when on most roads you going to ever use that stuff? It is dangerous.

I mind about 6 years ago I saw a destroyed Puggy 205 with NOS, the driver pressed the NOS on a straight road, lost control and the thing hit a metal fence and rolled the car god knows how many times, when it stopped the engine had been flung about 1/4 of a mile from where the car ended up, the only thing that saved the driver was the roll cage that he had fitted, I have no idea how someone walked out it after that.

Anonymous · April 20, 2006, 14:40

i can insure it for £13 more with elephant s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

im just concerned about the engine, would it cause any damage?

karlus972 · April 20, 2006, 15:18

IMO, it's just madness to install NOS on a car......with that money, I do some interesting and significant mods, and get some F1 pilot lessons s:D

s:D

aaronjb · April 20, 2006, 15:29

Quote from: "RoadRunner"I'm just concerned about the engine, would it cause any damage?

Run a correctly installed & jetted wet kit and no, you shouldn't really see any significant damage (increased wear, perhaps, but that's the same as with all tuning)

edward.carter · April 20, 2006, 15:30

Quote from: "RoadRunner"i can insure it for £13 more with elephant s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

I'm just concerned about the engine, would it cause any damage?

Thats a bit cheap! Jammy so n so s:D

s:D

i would love nos but i think my problem would be.... i'd never switch it off s:lol: :lol: s:lol: Would cost me a fortune in N2O s:? :? s:?

Anonymous · April 20, 2006, 16:18

If your seriously interested then check out the Wizards of NOS forum, they are very helpful and will help dispell a lot of the myths s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

performance wise it will always be the best power to money mod, but it WILL find any weakness in a less than sound engine. As long as you go for a wet kit with decent solenoids (wizards are reportedly the best available in UK) and a progressive controller its pefectly safe.

I do however know a few people who have completely blown their engines by either using cheap kit or falling for the 'more power' bug and going overboard.

If you do go for it I have a bottle for sale s;-) ;-) s;-) s:lol: :lol: s:lol: but do your background work first s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

edward.carter · April 20, 2006, 16:21

i was only joking really, no way i can afford to buy the kit, and even if i were going to fork out that sort of money it would be the unichip everytime s:D

s:D

Anonymous · April 20, 2006, 16:24

I was talking to roadrunner s;-) ;-) s;-) s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

but thanks for reading s;-) ;-) s;-)

Anonymous · April 20, 2006, 17:06

Ive heard that this stuff isn't even flammable, however the only risk of an explosion would be due to the fact it is a compressed gas in a bottle. For this reason, I wouldn't be keen to have the bottle in the frunk, personally.
Don't know what the truth is in this rumour though.

GSB · April 20, 2006, 17:40

So many myths, rumours and blatent untruths... s:roll: :roll: s:roll: That bloody Fast & Furious film has an awful lot to answer for...

Facts are what's called for here... lets dispel a couple of myths, and then we can discuss the relative merits of the technology, and why people who know what they are talking about generally consider it to be crap...

1/ "NOS" is a tradename for a particular maker... We dont go calling all fizzy orange drinks Tango, so lets leave the monopolised trade names to the likes of the Hoover Company. These are collectively called Nitrous Oxide systems.

2/ Nitrous Oxide is a gas. Chemically its known as N2O. The molecules of this gas are made of 2 other well known gases, Nitrogen & Oxygen

3/ Nitrous Oxide is not even slightly flammable. Nitrogen isnt flammable, and Oxygen isn't flammable, so it stands to reason then that combining 2 of the most abundant gasses in our atmosphere wont suddenly make rocket fuel. If it did, we'd all be driving gas powered monsters that cost a fraction of a penny per mile to run. It is however stored under pressure, so there is scope for a pressure explosion should a bottle be ruptured in an accident. Flaming infernos though? Not likely I'm afraid, if anything this stuff will extinguish a fire more effectively than it promotes one. If the temperatures are such that the gas does increase the ferocity of the fire, you'd have been toast long before...

4/ Nitrous Oxide is not laughing gas. Laughing gas is a gas used by dentists as a mild painkiller, it consists of roughly 50% oxygen and 50% N2O. Anyone knocking over there local dentists surgery in preperation for the next trackday is going to find themselves with a very fried engine if they try to use it.

5/ Nitrous Oxide is a power augmentor, in the same way as a turbo or super charger is a power augmentor. And it works in much the same way, in that it allows extra oxygen to be introduced to the combustion chamber. Turbocharging does it by increasing the inake pressure, forcing the oxygen molecules closer together and thus squeezing more of them into the combustion chamber. This extra oxygen can then be combined with more fuel, and thus generate more power. Nitrous Oxide does it by replaceing some of the intake air with the nitrous oxide gas. Initially there is less oxygen in the combustion chamber than normal, but under high temperatures, the N2O gas breaks down into its constituent parts, releasing extra oxygen along with the inert gas nitrogen. This can then be mixed with more fuel and thus makes more power.

heathstimpson · April 20, 2006, 18:09

And you don't push a switch on the steering wheel like in F&F; its delivered when you floor the accelerator which hits a microswitch s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

GSB · April 20, 2006, 18:52

Quote from: "heathstimpson"And you don't push a switch on the steering wheel like in F&F; its delivered when you floor the accelerator which hits a microswitch s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Reason #1 that Nitrous is crap... Generally its only available when your foot's hard on the floor. Fine for Drag racers, who's major skill lies in their lightning fast reactions to traffic lights, crap for people who go round corners quickly, whose major skill lies in, well, going round corners quickly. Something that becomes a bit challenging when your engine has a power curve like a cliff face, and a tiny adjustment in right foot angle leads to a sudden power increase or decrease of 50 or 100bhp. Cornering on the limit requires delicacy, finnesse, and deft control of power and steering. Great holes or massive bursts in the power delivery will make you go very fast indeed, through a hedge... Backwards...

There are "progressive" kits available that negate this tendancy somewhat, but even they cant stop the sudden and very definite loss of power when the bottle runs dry...

Anonymous · April 20, 2006, 19:27

i'll only be using 25 jets so that should be too much of a problem, its not going to be a super add on in power! Just to make the car a bit more fun in a straight line.

it's a wizards of nos kit that i am looking at.

GSB · April 20, 2006, 19:42

Quote from: "RoadRunner"i'll only be using 25 jets so that should be too much of a problem, its not going to be a super add on in power! Just to make the car a bit more fun in a straight line.

it's a wizards of nos kit that i am looking at.

Which brings us to Reason #2 that Nitrous is crap. (Please dont get the idea that I hate Nitrous Oxide, I think its very good, but feel that its not the fantastic enhancement that it makes it out to be, and needs an awful lot more development... As I said, TF&TF has a lot to answer for, leading people to think that their mums Yugo only needs a shot of laughing gas to out perform a Ferrari. In Reality, Nitrous is certainly effective, but very very crude.)

The Nitrous Oxide System industry seems to love using numbers that have no qualification. Wizards of nos for instance, whilst having built up a reputation for cutting some of the myth and BS out of the whole game, will still supply you with a 25bhp jet kit... What they are actually supplying, is a kit thatcould make 25 extra bhp in use, but may only make 12, or maybe 30... Its all dependant on your engine. So lets say you spend all your money on a 25bhp kit, that gives you 160bhp flat out. Nice, but it lasts only minutes, takes up all your storage space, only functions when your foot is flat on the floor, and is costly and troublesome to refill.

You can get 160bhp with careful tuning, loose no space whatsoever, and have more power available throughout the rev range, and at varying throttle openings... And all it costs is teh fitting, it'll keep on working as long as you keep putting fuel in the car.

GSB · April 22, 2006, 08:46

Just while we're on the subject, check this clip out...

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peppyuk · April 22, 2006, 09:14

Sweet! Takes me months to kill an engine, they do it in a couple of minutes!

Anonymous · April 24, 2006, 16:10

Never personally thought about the NOS thing but I do remember reading something on the S2ki forums about an owner who tried a self install of NOS who was completely clueless.

He thought he had ported it directly into the combustion chamber iirc by drilling a hole through the block. He went out to try it with a mate and after a few attempts of nothing happening, they kept turning up the "power" of each shot but never seemed to make much difference.

Too cut a long but funny story short, he had drilled into the engine over the cam and was just spraying wet notrous onto his cams. The cam got very cold and frozen and after numerous attempts at making it work with more and more NOS, the cam eventually snapped s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

I know you shouldn't laugh at other peoples stupidity but this was one of the funniest car related threads I've ever read on a car forum as it was written by a third party owner who was witness to the events but hadn't been involved in the install and wasn't aware of how it had been done s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

spit · April 24, 2006, 20:11

Quote from: "fastboy"Never personally thought about the NOS thing but I do remember reading something on the S2ki forums about an owner who tried a self install of NOS who was completely clueless.

Yep I remember that too - it made I larf!

If you want to try a Nitrous Oxide system, here's a good place to start....

s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

LeeUK · April 24, 2006, 21:42

I want that scooter! s8)

s8)

Although I think the owner has been rather wreckless by not upgrading the brakes s:wink: :wink: s:wink: .

filcee · April 24, 2006, 22:20

Quote from: "LeeUK"Although I think the owner has been rather wreckless by not upgrading the brakes s:wink: :wink: s:wink: .

Nope. I think he probably wrecked it already s:-D :-D s:-D

kanujunkie · April 25, 2006, 06:55

some guys at a bike company near here did that on a mini moto with poor results, every time they hit the button the power increase just flipped them on there backs so god knows how that thing would react s:? :? s:?