new turbo kit

[markiii]

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what thinks you?

[Slacey]

Yeah, I was looking at this earlier....  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

[Anonymous]

let me get this straight, the kit includes, turbo, manifold, full exhaust with cat, greddy emange, uprated injectors, all for $3600?? thats a bloody bargain!! how much is that in GBP? - 1900?

[markiii]

based upon the current exchange rate something like that.

I get teh impression they will negotiate buits in and out as well.

I'm waiting to see what shipping is like because it will be heavy, but in theory, fancy a GB Sean?

[Anonymous]

1900GBP for a 200bhp at the wheels is a steal? what are we looking at, at the flywheel 230bhp?

if the only added thing that the TTE turbo has is to not void your warranty then i cant see TTE selling that many.

keeps us posted mark when you find out shipping prices etc...

[aaronjb]

Don't forget import duty and VAT too.. If you say shipping is $150 per kit (it's large & bulky, afterall), then it'd be nearly £2500 in total..

Still not a bad price, mind..

[Anonymous]

if i was to buy it through my dads business, would i still be liable to pay VAT?

[aaronjb]

Yes and no.. The business would still have to pay the duty & VAT, but could offset that amount against the VAT they are due to pay to HMC&E - so in effect no, the business wouldn't have to pay the VAT..

[SteveJ]

Yes and no.. The business would still have to pay the duty & VAT, but could offset that amount against the VAT they are due to pay to HMC&E - so in effect no, the business wouldn't have to pay the VAT..

Plus the turbo would have to show as an asset of the company otherwise I believe there would be fraud involved.

[markiii]

unless you sell it ata  loss to yourself?

[Anonymous]

Plus the turbo would have to show as an asset of the company otherwise I believe there would be fraud involved.

I wonder if you could argue that it speeded up deliveries     s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

[SteveJ]

unless you sell it ata  loss to yourself?

Speaking to an accountant a while-back on this subject (although the asset was a PC not a turbo!), there is a serious question of attempting to defraud the VAT man, and if caught it carries some serious free-time at one of her majesty's finest hotels.

[Anonymous]

unless you sell it ata  loss to yourself?

but wouldnt the business have to sell it with VAT on? im sure they'd be some way around it

[aaronjb]

unless you sell it ata  loss to yourself?

but wouldnt the business have to sell it with VAT on?

What Mark means is that the business would sell it to you at the same price inclusive of VAT that it cost them exclusive of VAT. Effectively you would pay no VAT, however the business would stand at a loss of the VAT - so someone is still paying..

And as Steve says - you're on dodgy ground there.

im sure they'd be some way around it

Legally? No.. If there was, we'd all be out there paying no VAT, and the VAT man wouldn't like that very much.. don't forget, he has the most expensive lawyers that money can buy to make these laws up, and the penalties for 'avoiding' paying taxes are a stay in prison - the VAT man does not have a sense of humour...

Suppose we should get back on topic really  s:) s:)

[Anonymous]

When i bought my PE kit i put the invoice through my accounts. My accountant said they'd be no problems, and there wasn't.It's when you do it over and over again that it'll stick out.

Saying that there is always the chance but a good accountant can cover ALL tracks. Or get them to mark down the price as everyone else seems to do now.  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

Back on track... I thought every one was waiting for the TTE turbo because of the warranty. The PE has been available for ages and still is effectively cheaper than the TTE was/is ever going to be. A new kit appears which is a very good price and interest appears. Weird.

If the warranty isn't an issue i would go for this kit definately, well actually i think i'd prefer the SF kit because of the larger turbo, but shipping in the US from this company seems hit and miss, wouldn't want to try overseas shipping.  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

Shipping for my PE was about $300 IIRC that was with emanage and profec. The exhaust and cat shouldn't add too much more.

Go on Mark you know you wanna!!!!

[Anonymous]

It doesn't include the injectors in that price by the looks of it. And no IC, don't get me wrong, i ran at 6.5psi for a year with no aquamist with zero problems,but it's always in the back of your mind when it's hot and your pushing it hard.

If you do go aquamist then the 1s is the very bottom spec, still does the same but for a bit more get the 2d with FIA stuff, this detects if your WI has stopped or blocked jet. Worth it IMO so you know when your playing hard, the WI is doing it's job.

[Anonymous]

what's aqaumist? is it some sort of coolant fluid for the turbo?

[Anonymous]

water-injection equipment.

basicly it injectd a high pressure water mist into your air inlet when the turbo is boosting hot air into the engine
The main function is to suppress detonation caused by high temperature and pressure developed within the combustion chamber when the effective compression ratio has been taken beyond the auto-ignition point
Water, with its high latent heat content, is extremely effective for controlling the onset of detonation

[Anonymous]

 m http://www.aquamist.co.uk m

[Anonymous]

Personally, and it is only my 'opinion' I would prefer to fit a tried and tested FI kit to any car of mine worth more than a couple of £k.

I know a few guys with SC and Turbo'd celicas that have found themselves on an expensive learning curve when they've been the forerunners for a particular kit or application.  Blown engines and longevity problems etc appear to be common place.

A good friend of mine recently bought a C1 turbo kit for his 140 celica for about £2k, this was only about the 4th car with such a kit and the first in the UK.  Hes about 3 months into the kit now and I believe hes up to about £7k spent so far. This is without any engine damage (to date) but due more so to additional items required for peace of mind and rolling road time etc.


the kit does sound good, but there are still a lot of unanswered questions regarding suitability of injectors, mapping, and the absence of an intercooler etc.  (at least MWR do a chargecooler option now)

Power Enterprise and Apexi etc have been going for a lot longer and consequently may be  a better option unless you are of the 'pioneering' kind.

As for the TTE option (if we can still call it that at present) that appears to be a sacred subject unless you are 'in the know' or an engineer qualified to discuss such matters, either way it appears no nearer being on the shelf than it did when the subject was first discussed in detail.

Everyone has to make their own choices based on available info, finances and power requirements.  As far as I can see from the limited info available at present the TTE loses out to its competitors on all three.
(especially as the warranty advantage cant be confirmed)

I agree with Ian on the SF kit, but it is also very much a new kid on the block and celica wise they dont have the greatest of reputations.  you can at least buy the PE kit here in the UK if you should so chose and you want the back up of dealing with your distibutor face to face.

Just my view of course, but to be truthfull, unless you have actually run your own after market turbo'd mid engined car you wont really have an insight into the world you are entering.    s:) s:)    s:? :? s:?     (dont believe half of what you read on spyderchat, a lot of it is utter bollox and half truths repeated by followers)  mmmm rings a bell   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

A good few choices now at least, thats got to be a good thing    s:D s:D

[markiii]

all good points guys, anything listedso far about the car that would concern you?

[Anonymous]

Well apart from the 'untried and tested' side

injectors - there is a common view that the e-manage doesnt like injectors of that larger size, this may quite possibly be a missconception however it seems to be considered correct by a good few people? (I honestly dont know)

Larger injectors can cause problems with idle and lower revs due to their inability to control lower flow rates

US sports cats are often no better than UK standard as they have tighter emmison controls in the first place, so it would be a good idea to check what the flow rate is in comparrison with oem UK before considering this as a useful cost saving part of the kit  (just a thought)

more than the above tho I would like to see a few kits running for 6 months or so before passing judgement on what could quite posssibly be a great kit.

I would add the profec E-01 to the required list of additions unless of course you have chaep access to rolling road time, as changing inj or adding cooling (Aquamist/IC) will require tuning time to get the best out of the system (not cheap!)

someone has to be first markiii,  you possibly

[markiii]

possibly,

as of this month tehcar is paid for.

I have a few months where the cash needs to go elsewhere, but I'm seriously considering my options in case the TTE doesn't arrive, arrives late, or is at a totally pisstaking price.

all to be confirmed.

definetly need more power though.

[DAZ400]

Don't forget any SMT boys budget extra for replacement clutch and fitting as you will need it + flywhell so add 1 to 1.5K extra to the price....  s:wink: :wink: s:wink: